11-07-2002 11:40									#121
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I can't be arsed to remember what the code is for the snore smiley. Spray, if you can't see the difference between criticising the character of a nation and criticising the policies of a government, then you're not as bright as I gave you credit for...

All I told Tingki to do was to think about the title of the thread and what Americans are saying before he jumps in and brings in the whole "Americans don't think for themselves routine" Then you jumped in as if I was attacking all of you. But I guess if one attacks one Canadian, you attack them all?

	11-07-2002 11:43									#122
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I thought Jon did a rather mild troll of all the Canadian trout. Mild, that's why it worked.

	11-07-2002 11:46									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller quote: Originally posted by Tingkai One thing that this thread has shown is that while Canadians will argue a lot among themselves, when faced with a challenge from outside, we tend to band together. that was actually the point of this thread.... and to get a Jon Miller

I think Jon was trying to make a point. But somehow, I don't think it will make any difference in future threads.

	11-07-2002 11:49									#124
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I thought Jon did a rather mild troll of all the Canadian trout. Mild, that's why it worked.

Exactly. His style is admirable and most of the standard trolls would do well to read this thread and take lessons.

	11-07-2002 11:49									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber All I told Tingki to do was to think about the title of the thread and what Americans are saying before he jumps in and brings in the whole "Americans don't think for themselves routine" Then you jumped in as if I was attacking all of you. But I guess if one attacks one Canadian, you attack them all?

Yup, I always defend my fellow Canadians and never attack their ideas.

When the four Canadian soldiers were killed in Afghanistan, the Canadians posters here were all in agreement, except for Asher and NYE who argued accidents can happen while I argued accidents can be prevented.

To paraphrase what KH said:

If someone attacks a policy of the Canadian government, the Canadian posters will not form a united front.

If someone attacks a policy of the American government, the American posters tend to circle their wagons and complain about anti-American trolls.

	11-07-2002 11:51									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Exactly. His style is admirable and most of the standard trolls would do well to read this thread and take lessons.

Oh that they would...

	11-07-2002 11:52									#127
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I've seen you start on this tirade a dozen times to now, Sprayber. You can't take it personally when somebody is annoyed at the actions of Bush&co. (or Nixon&co., or any previous admin) and feels the urge to speak his mind.

Remember when you (an American) posted a thread about my beloved PM? Who was first in line to make fun of him?

Remember when Asher, Tingkai, I, NYE et al had those late-night discussions about the structure of our government? Nobody was angry when you and DinoDoc felt the urge to add your 2 cents (which boiled down to something like "you should be more like us").

I am proud to be Canadian. I have no problem accepting that you are proud to be American, and can sympathise with your viewpoint, but the fact is that what the US does has serious implications for the rest of us, so please understand that we have a stake in making our voice heard on the subject. We're not doing it because we get our jollies out of US-bashing (unless we're trolling, which should never be taken seriously); we're concerned with what happens to us and the rest of the world.

If you're so annoyed with other people criticising your government, you should consider ceding your position as a superpower; if it wasn't so important, we wouldn't care so much.

	11-07-2002 11:53									#128
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quote: I thought Jon did a rather mild troll of all the Canadian trout. Mild, that's why it worked

Jon was quite polite with this, I agree. Notice, also, that everyone else was quite polite in return. Nobody except Asher really took the bait...

	11-07-2002 11:58									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai If someone attacks a policy of the American government, the American posters tend to circle their wagons and complain about anti-American trolls.

But Tingkai, if one of the trolls of the more... ham-handed nature were launched at Canada, then most of us would go down aflamin'

Come on, if SM were posting the cr*p about us that he posts about the US, we wouldn't all trash him? It's gotten to the point where the guy can't even tell a joke without many people, from everywhere dumping on him. The cr*p has gone on so long that the humour is lost.

	11-07-2002 12:13									#130
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There's truth in what you say. The response of American posters is probably due to the large and ongoing number of criticisms against the American government. If we were in their situation we might act the same, then again we might not. We'll never know.

At the same time, there is tendency among American posters to immediately go aflaming in response to neutral comments.

	11-07-2002 12:20									#131
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I've seen you start on this tirade a dozen times to now, Sprayber. You can't take it personally when somebody is annoyed at the actions of Bush&co. (or Nixon&co., or any previous admin) and feels the urge to speak his mind.

I get upset when they post the same **** over and over again.

quote: Remember when you (an American) posted a thread about my beloved PM? Who was first in line to make fun of him?

I posted the thread to find out about the PM. IIRC you were the one that was first to start the insults. I don't know enough about the man to insult him. I merely listened in.

quote: Remember when Asher, Tingkai, I, NYE et al had those late-night discussions about the structure of our government? Nobody was angry when you and DinoDoc felt the urge to add your 2 cents (which boiled down to something like "you should be more like us").

There is nothing wrong with giving your views on things. But tell me how many threads I have started trashing Canadian goverment? Name one KH. It's when you see the same threads over and over again with lines like "Americans don't think for themselves" "Americans are too patriotic." No one that has ever spent much time in the US mind you, but those that only see things on TV or the all holy newspaper.

quote: I am proud to be Canadian. I have no problem accepting that you are proud to be American, and can sympathise with your viewpoint, but the fact is that what the US does has serious implications for the rest of us, so please understand that we have a stake in making our voice heard on the subject. We're not doing it because we get our jollies out of US-bashing (unless we're trolling, which should never be taken seriously); we're concerned with what happens to us and the rest of the world.

Troll shouldn't be taken seriously, but hearing someone harp on the same subject in multple threads gets tedious. Don't be surprised if at times a few of us get tired of it and say so. Just like this incident in LA. It just happen for christ sakes and many people are already waiting who gets to post the riot thread. If you don't feel that my point pretain to you then don't worry about them.

quote: If you're so annoyed with other people criticising your government, you should consider ceding your position as a superpower; if it wasn't so important, we wouldn't care so much.

I'm annoyed by people who critize and offer no other solution. People who critize just to see their words in print. People who critize because its the cool radical thing to do. And KH, Id be more than happy to let Canada or the EU or Russia or whoever the hell wants to put with the ****, take care of the world. It causes more problems for us then it helps. So KH, please encourage your goverment to take over things. It will be blessing for us.

	11-07-2002 12:36									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai There's truth in what you say. The response of American posters is probably due to the large and ongoing number of criticisms against the American government. If we were in their situation we might act the same, then again we might not. We'll never know. At the same time, there is tendency among American posters to immediately go aflaming in response to neutral comments.

I'll let you in on a little secrete but you have to promise not to tell anyone.

Some of us don't like Bush
Some of us love Bush
Some of us don't like Bush, but we hated Gore more.
Some of us are racist
Some of us come from different ethinic backgrounds
Some of us help people out regardless of ethinic background
Some of us are criminals
Some of us are law abiding citizens
Some of us want to withdraw from the world
Some of us feel that we should run the world
Some of us hate foreigners
Some of us are former foreigners
Some of us don't care where you came from
Some of us think the state needs to give more to the people
Some of us think the state is too involved with our lives already
Some of us like Canadians
Some of us will never forgive Canada for Celon Deion
Some of us think that Shania Twain makes up for Celon Deion

	11-07-2002 12:47									#133
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That's just more propaganda from the American Imperialist Running Dogs. We know the truth. You've all been brainwashed to think and act the same way. And the reason we know this is true is because Canadian secret agents are the ones doing the brainwashing.

	11-07-2002 12:56									#134
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Not to get off topic but why do people like Celion Deion?

Have you ever noticed that her mouth is a little weird? She looks somewhat like the joker the way her mouth looks. Did she get plastic surgery or something.

	11-07-2002 13:01									#135
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Celion Deion (sp???)? We don't like her. We inflict her on you.

Ever heard of Heineken? Wouldn't catch a Euro drinking the stuff if there were no water left on Earth. They export it to the US.

	11-07-2002 13:48									#136
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I have formally apologised for Celine (the Banshee) Dion in the "Worse things my country has done" thread.

	11-07-2002 17:57									#137
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai If someone attacks a policy of the Canadian government, the Canadian posters will not form a united front.

So true. I would probably be one of the most outspoken critics.

But then again people like Floyd criticize the US government all the time, regardless...

	11-07-2002 17:59									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber But tell me how many threads I have started trashing Canadian goverment? Name one KH.

This is part of your problem -- you need to make more of those threads.

	11-07-2002 18:03									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Asher This is part of your problem -- you need to make more of those threads.

	11-07-2002 18:15									#140
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I dont know why I missed this thread until now. Isnt the answer obvious - its the beer! All I know is that 20 years ago I used to drink Canadian beer and I used to fight a lot in and out of bars across the Great White North. Now I dont drink Canadian beer and I havent been involved in "an altercation" in a while. I think the connection is obvious. Canadian beer contains ingredients that provokes aggression, especially in connection with hockey.

	11-07-2002 21:27									#141
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quote: Canadian beer contains ingredients that provokes aggression, especially in connection with hockey.

Yes, we call it alcohol.

American Beer should add it sometime.

	11-07-2002 21:35									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Hobbes I have formally apologised for Celine (the Banshee) Dion in the "Worse things my country has done" thread.

And I'll apologize for Anne Murray, although thank god she stays in the states these days.

	11-07-2002 21:37									#143
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I think the connection is obvious. Canadian beer contains ingredients that provokes aggression, especially in connection with hockey.

nah, the reason Canadians are peaceful is because we play hockey. I'm pretty much a pacificist off ice, but put me in the rink and I'll take out the other guy real good. Like tonight. I smuck a guy into the boards and man did it ever feel good.

	12-07-2002 01:05									#144
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Back on topic : It's all those blokes. They're asking for it.

	12-07-2002 01:14									#145
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quote: I'm annoyed by people who critize and offer no other solution. People who critize just to see their words in print. People who critize because its the cool radical thing to do.

Amen to that well said...