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Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

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Turkey's Government Crumbling. Suffering from ads?

In the past few days we've been talking about the ME, AIDS, etc, etc. But the most important issue has escaped us. I've been following it over the past few days, very intensely. I know our Greek friends have also looked over it with apprehension.

http://www.economist.com/agenda/dis...tory_id=1223746

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A government on the brink

Jul 12th 2002
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Turkey is the International Monetary Fund’s biggest borrower, an applicant to join the European Union, the only Muslim country in the NATO defence pact and a key strategic partner of the United States. Now its government is collapsing

THE one accusation that cannot be made against Bulent Ecevit, Turkey's ailing and besieged prime minister, is that he is a quitter. The 77-year-old premier has clung to power all week as cabinet ministers and party comrades have deserted him and coalition partners have threatened to do the same.

The three-party coalition government led by Mr Ecevit was thrown into chaos at the beginning of the week by the resignation of his key right-hand man, deputy prime minister Husamettin Ozkan. A wave of resignations followed, with seven ministers and 40 members of Mr Ecevit's parliamentary party deserting him.

What has allowed Mr Ecevit to cling to office all week is the fact that there are few palatable political options facing Turkey. Early elections might let a pro-Islamic party, currently the country’s most popular party, into government. This is a prospect which dismays not only Turkey’s western allies, but also its secular generals. With the existing government coalition falling apart, delaying elections promises only continuing paralysis and endless squabbling at a time when the government faces pressing economic and political decisions. The resignations have dealt a blow to Turkey’s struggling economy, with the value of the Turkish currency hitting record lows against the American dollar.

On Thursday July 11th, Turkey’s political crisis deepened further when Ismail Cem, the respected foreign minister, resigned. He was followed a few hours later by Kemal Dervis, the economy minister, but Mr Dervis was then persuaded to withdraw his resignation, at least for the moment. Mr Dervis plays a key role, managing the government's relationship with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and he seems to have returned to the government solely to stop the financial markets from panicking. Mr Cem announced to a press conference that he is forming a new pro-western political party with Mr Ozkan and Mr Dervis. Mr Ecevit promptly replied that Mr Dervis had promised not to join the new grouping.

The crisis has been sparked by Mr Ecevit's refusal to name a successor or to step aside. He has spent more than two months in bed under the care of his autocratic wife, Rahsan, and his afflictions range from a spinal disorder via cracked ribs and a thrombosis to loss of appetite. Despite this, he has clung mulishly to power, refusing repeated calls for him to step down and insisting instead that he must remain in charge until April 2004, when parliamentary elections are due. In so doing, he is putting at risk not only a crucial economic-recovery programme being overseen by the IMF, but the very future of Turkey, a strategic pivot between Europe and the Middle East.

Mr Ecevit’s stubbornness has proved too much even for his closest political allies. Mr Ozkan, widely credited with bridging differences within the coalition, resigned on Monday July 8th, after a row with the prime minister. He was promptly followed by others. The defectors issued a statement claiming that their resignations had been sparked by the “disloyalty” which Mr Ecevit had displayed towards Mr Ozkan, an apparent reference to an earlier agreement to step aside in his favour.

What happens next is difficult to see. The ruling coalition has been an awkward one: Mr Ecevit’s DSP, the centre-right Motherland party and the far-right Nationalist Action Party. Yet until recently it has been among the more stable governments in Turkey’s modern history, pushing through sweeping financial reforms endorsed by the IMF, which lent it $16 billion earlier this year to help it roll over its $200 billion in public debt. The government also seemed ready to face up to a series of tough political decisions. But this success has been threatened by Mr Ecevit’s prolonged ill health and refusal to hand over to a successor.

If early elections are held, polls suggest that none of the parties in the ruling coalition would even get the 10% of votes needed to win seats at all and that Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Islamic-minded White party would grab the biggest share. That would upset Turkey’s American allies, who distrust his attitude to the West and to Israel. It would also upset Turkey’s fiercely secular generals. Most probably they would block Mr Erdogan’s road to power, and in so doing further tarnish Turkey’s democratic credentials.

On the other hand, patching together a new government will not be easy, and may take time that Turkey can ill afford. Turkey's western partners are now praying for a quick resolution, and would enthusiastically back a new party led by Mr Cem and Mr Ozkan. Mr Ozkan's deal-making skills, it is thought, might be able to hold a new coalition together. Mr Cem, a committed Europhile who is well-liked by the public, would guarantee good relations with the EU. Mr Dervis, who would almost certainly join them, would be able to continue to manage Turkey's relationship with the IMF and foreign banks. He was brought in last year from a job at the World Bank. He is hardworking, honest, personable and a firm backer of the sorts of changes sought both by the EU and the IMF.

But there could still be one big obstacle in the way of such a neat resolution: Devlet Bahceli, the Nationalist leader and also a deputy prime minister. His party was the second largest in parliament. He helped spark the current crisis when he threatened to pull out of the ruling coalition. He has refused to agree to any deal which the government might strike with the opposition to end the death penalty, something that has been demanded by the EU as the price of membership. It would also spare the neck of Abdullah Ocalan, the captured Kurdish rebel leader. Mr Bahceli, who has aspirations to lead the government himself, is now head of the largest party in parliament. If Turkey’s non-executive president, Necdet Sezer, now asked Mr Bahceli to head a new coalition, the IMF and EU would be appalled. Mr Bahceli’s party is ultra-nationalist (some call it neo-fascist) and its forebear, in the 1970s and 1980s, was engaged in street violence and racketeering. Mr Bahceli is still inclined to make populist promises that would scupper the IMF’s efforts to put Turkey’s budget back into shape and inveighs against easing bans on Kurdish-language education and broadcasting.

These, along with abolition of the death penalty and ending torture in police cells and prisons, are among the demands made by the EU before it will name a date for starting negotiations on Turkish membership. The government last month decided to lift the state of emergency in two mainly Kurdish provinces in the south-east, leaving only Diyarbakir and Sirnak, which is on the Iraqi border, under such rule. But parents across Turkey are still being prosecuted for giving their children Kurdish names, and publications fined for using the letter W, part of the Kurdish alphabet but not the Turkish one, on the ground that such things encourage ethnic separatism.

An accord in Cyprus remains out of reach, which increases the risk that the EU will admit what would, in practice, be only the Greek-run bit of the island on its own—and that Turkey’s own hopes of EU membership would be swamped by nationalist and Islamist sentiment. Turkey, as one EU diplomat puts it, might then go down “the Uzbek road”, becoming nothing more than “an aircraft-carrier for the Americans” from which to harry Iraq and Iran. That need not happen. The great majority of Turks, and indeed Turkish Cypriots, want to join the EU. That may mean some arm-twisting of Rauf Denktash, the Turkish-Cypriot leader but that, in turn, requires a Turkish government confident that it can remain in power.

All members of the ruling, and now crumbling, coalition have reasons to avoid an early election, which could bring electoral ruin to each of them. But whether they can agree a new government, and one that can continue to push through painful economic and political changes, remains to be seen. One thing seems certain: they do not have much time left. Turkey needs to keep borrowing to finance its debt, and if there are two things that lenders hate, they are a collapsing currency and endless uncertainty.


The ailing Ecevit continues to try to hold power as his party collapses. Cem, the popular foriegn minister just left to join the new party consisting of Ecevit's party members that want him to go. The economic minister was about to jump ship as well, but was convinced to stay on because of the IMF loans Turkey must pay off.

We can only hope this ends well and the White Party doesn't win control in the next elections, whenever they may be.

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The Ottoman government has fallen.

Kurdistan declares indepenedence.
Armenia declares independence.
The nobles in Smryna have switched allience to the traitorous Duchy of Athens.

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This isn't Europa Universalis II .

That game wasn't even that good anyway .

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The Ottoman government has fallen.

Kurdistan declares indepenedence.
Armenia declares independence.
The nobles in Smryna have switched allience to the traitorous Duchy of Athens.


Smyrna doesn't have a land route to the Duchy of Athens.

Besides, it would be the revolter Hellas.

And Imran: Take that back.

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That game wasn't even that good anyway .


DIE HERETIC!!!!!

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I distinctly remember Mr. Siddiqui here raving about EU or EUII...

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EU2... was good for a little while, but after a week or so, you realize it's kinda boring.

Anyway, stick to the topic.

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Actually, it would be interesting to see how far the government falls. Turkey's in deep doo-doo. Could the Kurds use this to wrest some autonomy and the Cypriots to drive the Turks from Cyprus?

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Political crisis:

Stability reduced by 2

Monarchs diplomatic rating reduced to one for three months.

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Actually I think the Kurds are in massive trouble. Because the parties that would win in another election seem to be more heavy handed. The best thing is if Ecevet just resigned and gave power to Cem or someone, but that time is past.

As for Cyprus... the Turkish Cypriots are powerful enough to resist Greek aggression even with the problems at home.

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INVAAAAAAAAAAAAADE!

FREEDOM TO ALL!

Talk to you from Constantinople.

actually nothing will change.

and Imran, the turks are not strong, it is the turkish mainland that supports them against the Cypriotes who want their houses back.

Dont use the word "invasion". It is not invasion to take back your land.

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As for the kurds, it is no use delaying the inevitable.

in 2020 45% of populationin turkey will be kurds. defacto independence.

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now seriously

hold on...

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paiktis, all that land hasn't been "yours" for hundreds of years, so stop dreaming

you're worse than a German revanchist could be

as for EU2: you guys made me stop posting for tonight

not.. just started

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The biggest blow is the departure of Cem. He and Papandreou have been instumental in at least trying to forge something that could be described as "friendly" relationships with the two countries.

But IMO, no GREAT loss since the final word always rests with the military regime that controls Turkey.

Also Islamism or not same difference.

Of course for the people of turkey i wish democracy. since this is not acheavable (for now?) the military dictatorship is better than islamist regime for them.


For Greece, nothing changes. Both regimes are just as abnoxious, we've lived side by side with both islamist and military turkey.


I would just like to say that Turkey has a lot to gain from friendly relations with Greece. and vice versa.

we could do a lot to help if only the miliary regime and their "aspirations" would go away.

after US divided cyprus things got worse but still we can make it work.

if nothing else, a friendly relation would lead to reucement of military budgets.

the military regime of turkey is insane. the people are starving, the economy has crumbled and it still wont let go of the arms race. even after greece has proposed to also curve its military spending.

thats what happens when a country has no democracy

we have nothing to separate with the turkish people

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Are there not elections in Turkey?

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ecthelinaki greeks lived in those parts 50 years ago.

also you are a barbarian. who cares what a "german" wants who has no culture. it is not the same. sorry.

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if there were free elections in turkey the islamists would win hands down.

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And Slavic people that deem themselves hellenic have culture? How ridiculous.

But I know you're just trying to be cool, you loser.

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and ecthelinaki i was talking about cyprus not asia minor.

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Dont use the word "invasion". It is not invasion to take back your land.


I'm glad you said this... perhaps when Turkey takes it all over you'll say the same .

And there is no way you can call Turkey a military dictatorship. The military is VERY powerful, yes... but it does NOT make laws and policy. It sometimes will overthrow Islamic parties (in the tradition of AtaTurk), but the lawmaking is left to civilians.

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you just like to say that to make you feel better for being a barbarian.

unlike you, i respect slav people.

slavs and greeks never mixed.

get off your nazi evaluation of peoples

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And it's good it overthrows Islamic parties.

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ecthelinaki greeks lived in those parts 50 years ago.


So what?
Jews lived in Gush Etzion 50 years ago, but now it's an "illegal settlement".

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slavs and greeks never mixed




and greeks were never ruled by turks?

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Exactly! Sometimes free democracy isn't the best way to go!

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Really, Im? I always thought the Weimar model was just perfect.

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Dont use the word "invasion". It is not invasion to take back your land.


I'm glad you said this... perhaps when Turkey takes it all over you'll say the same .

And there is no way you can call Turkey a military dictatorship. The military is VERY powerful, yes... but it does NOT make laws and policy. It sometimes will overthrow Islamic parties (in the tradition of AtaTurk), but the lawmaking is left to civilians.


"sensitive" laws always have to get a green light from the military regime.

these are the laws that prohibit civil liberties, allow tortures not alloing a democracy to funtion etc.

and cyprus was invaded with the blessings of the US. not the same as asia minor and you know it.


ecthelinaki, apart from the fact that you got bombed off your ass in dersden turks and greeks remained segragated too.

accept the fact that youre a barbarian and you will feel easier about yourself. a nazi barbarian, but hey nobody's perfect (but you've overdone it)

youre just repeating nazism, is it in your blood?

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Really, Im? I always thought the Weimar model was just perfect.


"german" talks about democracy

 
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