17-07-2002 12:22									#1
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I think several thousand Hebrew guys seeing the sea part and let them pass, but then kill the Eygptian guys, is evidence enough. If it was a fake story, then it would die out. But you can't argue with thousands of Hebrew guys.

Also, God destroyed 2 cities that were full of sinners. He seems to be allowing us to destroy ourselves now. Why won't people believe in Him if they don't believe thousands of people seeing something only God can do?

	17-07-2002 12:24									#2
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If I saw the sea part I'd probably think it was time to give up drinking.

	17-07-2002 12:25									#3
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Well ive never seen a miracle. When i do see one, ill change my views on god.

	17-07-2002 12:25									#4
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quote: Originally posted by King of Rasslin But you can't argue with thousands of Hebrew guys.

The Palestinians have been doing that for years.

	17-07-2002 12:29									#5
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quote: Also, God destroyed 2 cities that were full of sinners.

God has been so quiet lately, so god must be dead.

quote: The Palestinians have been doing that for years.

You beat me

	17-07-2002 12:29									#6
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You are assuming a false story dies out... hmm... then I wonder why people know about King Arthur and Robin Hood (especially since both were also passed off as historical fact for a while)

Although I believe in God (though perhaps a bit differently from how you believe in him), your reasons for believing in him aren't fool proof. Faith is something from within.... from the heart and mind and can not be proved by 'science' or even 'experience'. It is 'proved' as well as it can be in your own mind. If one is seeking miracles to prove God, he has a tendency to create miracles in his mind, for his yearning for God is so great...


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	17-07-2002 12:30									#7
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Kumbaya my Lord............

	17-07-2002 12:33									#8
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Why should I believe God did it???

Why not Allah, or Buddha - or some central African animist God...???

What gives you the arrogance to assume that if I were to see some supernatural parting of the waves, it would be God's work?

Why do you appear to believe in God over Shintoism - are you saying Shintoism is a false belief?

This is one of the main reasons that humankind's current theistic belief system is shot to hell...

	17-07-2002 12:36									#9
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I get the impression(in England anyway) that less and less people are believing in god. I was at school last year and i didnt know of a single person who went to church. I think there was one but he only went because his parents made him. Also, none of my friends or there parents go to church. Ive never even been myself. Not once!

	17-07-2002 12:41									#10
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It was Yahweh who parted the sea beacuse He said so. No other god claimed it.

And there is no way thousands of people would get drunk and see the same thing at the same time. They didn't drink because they were being chased by an army of angry war chariots.

	17-07-2002 12:42									#11
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With the Red Sea parting thing I think it should be double or nothing.

	17-07-2002 12:44									#12
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Oh well, only 0,1% of the people witnessed any single simple part of evolution happen, but eventhough most of us believe in it anyway.

If the entire universe can come out of one single particle (that came out of nothing) then why would it be impossible to split the sea?

We all believe in miracles, don't we? And we need no evidence for it

	17-07-2002 12:44									#13
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quote: You are assuming a false story dies out... hmm... then I wonder why people know about King Arthur and Robin Hood (especially since both were also passed off as historical fact for a while)

	17-07-2002 12:47									#14
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A couple of generations and no one will believe in god anymore, well in the western world anyway. Im sure in the middle east they will carry on just like they are now though.

	17-07-2002 12:47									#15
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I thought you meant if I were to see it now...

As Speer says, many of those Biblical stories have about as much credibility as the stories of Arthurian Legend.

All I know is that God has been conspicuous by his absence lately

Or any other deity for that matter...

	17-07-2002 12:48									#16
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"for a while" being the key word there. Myths like King Arthur died out as literacy and knowledge improved. But nothing can explain the whole Red Sea moving.

	17-07-2002 12:49									#17
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If God parted the sea regularly that could be an aid to global transportation.

	17-07-2002 12:51									#18
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How about I make it even simpler? How about, I can feel God in my heart so I know He exists. You can't argue with that, my friends!

	17-07-2002 12:52									#19
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Rasslin:

Well that's probably because we lack the historical data to disprove it. We know that King Arthur did not exist as the king with Lancelot and the knights of the round table because we have historical information that shows that there was no such king in Western European history from the fall of Rome to the present day.

We do not have Egyptian records to prove or disprove the Red Sea parting... all we have is the bible. If all we had was Arthurian legends then you could say that was truth with as much certain as you now say the sea parting is truth.


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	17-07-2002 12:52									#20
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Well it can't be proved it happened either, so it's legend IMO that's been claimed to be the truth!

BTW why do you believe in God and not Allah? What's God got that Allah hasn't?

I bet if you were born in Saudi Arabia, you'd be a Muslim

	17-07-2002 12:54									#21
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Rasslin:

Are you an idiot... I just posted that damn thing...

quote: Faith is something from within.... from the heart and mind and can not be proved by 'science' or even 'experience'. It is 'proved' as well as it can be in your own mind.

That's the only thing one can not disprove... faith. good you finally caught on after twenty minutes... damn.


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	17-07-2002 12:56									#22
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But God isn't what I make up, like you think! It isn't "from within." I don't place God in myself, He places himself in me. See what I mean?

	17-07-2002 12:57									#23
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quote: Originally posted by King of Rasslin But God isn't what I make up, like you think! It isn't "from within." I don't place God in myself, He places himself in me. See what I mean?

No, could you elaborate a bit more pelase?

	17-07-2002 12:57									#24
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No comments on the evolution miracle thing here?
Explain it to me, my friends, why do you guys have faith enough to believe the entire universe popped out of one particle that popped out of nothing, but do you concider believing that God parted the red sea is a like believing a fairy tale?

	17-07-2002 12:59									#25
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Mobius, Allah is false. God is real. Although one would argue that they are the same, they are not. One of them believes in peace, justice, and all that is good. The other believes in suicide bombings and terrorism. A loving god would never, ever encourage that, although Muslims claim Allah is loving.

God created us and he loves us. He would never want us to blow each other up.

	17-07-2002 13:01									#26
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CyberShy:

Oh it's the same thing... the scientist claims to have definitive proff but it is nothing but theories... and that's assuming that even if measured proff of the universe's forming was discovered, that it would be objective


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	17-07-2002 13:02									#27
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"Allah is false, God is real"...

what crap is this

	17-07-2002 13:02									#28
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What God? There is no God, if I ever saw a the sea cut in two there will be an explanation for that. It's the same with the Gods of Olymp, God is a myth and at some point we will uncover/explain/find out that there is no God for example by meeting other lifeforms from other planets or something similar.

	17-07-2002 13:03									#29
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"No, could you elaborate a bit more pelase?"

I mean, I don't place my own deity within me, and totally go on faith to believe in him. I don't just believe in God through faith, I KNOW he is there! The way people say "God is what you make him to be" is why there are Hindus and Muslims corrupting our world. God being within you is just a manifestation of what is already there, not something that you have willingly done. Putting faith in God is accepting Him, not making him up.

	17-07-2002 13:03									#30
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Have you ever wondered why we always seem to get this moony christianity almost exclusively from US posters?