17-07-2002 13:04									#31
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Rasslin:

Of the 99 names of Allah (Allah is Arabic for God just as Dios is latin for God... Christian arabs call Christ Allah; EXPLAIN), not a single one is Love. No Muslim claims God is love.

	17-07-2002 13:04									#32
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Look closer at my flags Horse!
And now answer my question

	17-07-2002 13:06									#33
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AH, it propably has something to do with their culture and ignorance (not the OT-poster).

	17-07-2002 13:06									#34
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Well, we are lucky the Good News has been spread here. Many nations have yet to hear it because of repressive governments or culture/language barriers. The internet is helping us spread the gospel to people that haven't heard it. I would highly recommend you join the church, your soul is at stake!

	17-07-2002 13:07									#35
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AH:

That is one of America's strengths if it is harnesed correctly... but instead of using religion and faith as a moralizing tool for the betterment of society a la Farrakhan, too many people care too much (and defend with logic what can not be defended by logic) about the ritual and metaphysics of religion

	17-07-2002 13:08									#36
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Rasslin:

Why is one's soul at stake?

	17-07-2002 13:08									#37
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quote: Originally posted by King of Rasslin Well, we are lucky the Good News has been spread here. Many nations have yet to hear it because of repressive governments or culture/language barriers. The internet is helping us spread the gospel to people that haven't heard it. I would highly recommend you join the church, your soul is at stake!

Europe and the Middle East has the gospels for thousands of years but some Americans act as if they just discovered it. Have you ever noticed that?

	17-07-2002 13:09									#38
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quote: Mobius, Allah is false. God is real. Although one would argue that they are the same, they are not. One of them believes in peace, justice, and all that is good. The other believes in suicide bombings and terrorism. A loving god would never, ever encourage that, although Muslims claim Allah is loving. God created us and he loves us. He would never want us to blow each other up.

It would be just as easy to say that your God encouraged crusades, massacres, racism (KKK) and terrorism (NI). Blaming a particular religion for what it's followers do and then claiming that your religion is better despite having done the same things is nothing but hypocrisy.

	17-07-2002 13:10									#39
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But Muslims believe God loves us, or so they claim. If he didn't he would have wiped us out long ago. The fact that Muslims will strap bombs to each other to kill shows that they Islam was made by some Arab sheik wanting to control the people, and to stop the spread of Christianity.

Also, Yahweh and Allah are 2 totally different gods. Names mean nothing because they have 2 different, separate bibles, although 1 is false. The Old/New Testament is from Yahweh, and Allah the Koran.

And Americans are not ignorant! The fact that you do not beleive in God shows your ignorance!

	17-07-2002 13:11									#40
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Rasslin:

Why is one's soul at stake?

Easy. Because people that don't believe in God go to hell. Everyone knows that.

	17-07-2002 13:12									#41
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quote: Originally posted by King of Rasslin But Muslims believe God loves us, or so they claim. If he didn't he would have wiped us out long ago. The fact that Muslims will strap bombs to each other to kill shows that they Islam was made by some Arab sheik wanting to control the people, and to stop the spread of Christianity.

And how is that different from the Oklahoma city bombing or Waco Texas?

	17-07-2002 13:13									#42
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"It would be just as easy to say that your God encouraged crusades, massacres, racism (KKK) and terrorism (NI). Blaming a particular religion for what it's followers do and then claiming that your religion is better despite having done the same things is nothing but hypocrisy."

If that is the case, then point out the Bible verse that says God encourages massacres, etc. The Muslim guys that blow themselves up do read their Korans and they do beleive that they go to heaven for being a "martyr" and killing innocents. Christians do not believe that.

	17-07-2002 13:14									#43
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God damn... I hate breaking up the logic of a fundamentalist cause I feel like I'm attacking religion and the basis of my beliefs but oh well...

quote: But Muslims believe God loves us, or so they claim.

Of the 99 names of Allah not a single one is Love. No Muslim claims God is love. It is a religious fact.

quote: Also, Yahweh and Allah are 2 totally different gods.

Allah is Arabic for God just as Dios is latin for God... Christian arabs call Christ Allah... are Christian Arabs wrong for using their term for God (Allah) in reference to the God of the Christians? If so, then using the term God (an English term) must be wrong as in Latin, God is Deus... and in Spanish God is Dios.


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	17-07-2002 13:15									#44
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"And how is that different from the Oklahoma city bombing or Waco Texas?"

Those guys were terrorists. ANY Christian that reads his Bible knows that killing people is WRONG. Simple as that. The Muslims are a whole other story, though.

	17-07-2002 13:15									#45
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quote: Originally posted by King of Rasslin If that is the case, then point out the Bible verse that says God encourages massacres.....

Have you read the old testament at all?

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quote: Why is one's soul at stake? Easy. Because people that don't believe in God go to hell. Everyone knows that.

Why would a loving God send men to suffer in hell? Seems to be the same sort of God that would have men blow up each other...

	17-07-2002 13:15									#47
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Rasslin: So the Crusades were done in the name of... what religion again?

	17-07-2002 13:16									#48
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quote: If that is the case, then point out the Bible verse that says God encourages massacres.....

How many Philistines did Samson kill with an ass' jaw? How many did he kill when he tore down the pillars? And that was just one man from one small part of the bible...

	17-07-2002 13:16									#49
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Hey, regardless of names, Allah and Yahweh are 2 totally different Gods. If they were the same, then why don't they have the same Bible? Duh!

	17-07-2002 13:17									#50
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quote: Originally posted by King of Rasslin "And how is that different from the Oklahoma city bombing or Waco Texas?" Those guys were terrorists. ANY Christian that reads his Bible knows that killing people is WRONG. Simple as that. The Muslims are a whole other story, though.

Both Waco and the Oklahoma city bombing were sparked by Christian convictions not in fact much different from your own

	17-07-2002 13:19									#51
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So Christian Arabs, by calling the Christian God by the name of Allah, are not worshiping Christ?

	17-07-2002 13:19									#52
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"How many Philistines did Samson kill with an ass' jaw? How many did he kill when he tore down the pillars? And that was just one man from one small part of the bible..."

The damn Philistines deserves what was coming to them, and God didn't command the Hebrews to kill every Philistine in sight. Hey, God warned them that they would pay the price if they kept disobeying Him! God was just fulfilling the prophecy. Nothing more, nothing less.

God tells us to love our neighbors as ourselves. He doesn't want us killing each other!

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King of Rasslin, eventhough we're on the same side, I suggest you to not make a troll out of yourself. You might end up as a quote next to CivNation.

Just be relaxed, you won't convert the poor bastards by telling them absolute things like that. Rather ask them questions about why they do believe in evolution without having any evidence.

They have no answer for that, that's pretty cool

Let them struggle with that, instead of putting up lines like 'the fact that you do not believe in God shows your ignorance!' since that'll only make them laugh at us.

Eventhough you're right The fact that they do not believe in God does indeed show their ignorance but don't tell them, they won't understand it anyway

CS

	17-07-2002 13:21									#54
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I have no reason to believe in god, because I'm not convinced god exists.

	17-07-2002 13:21									#55
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He might be more convincing if he actually had a rudimentary knowledge of the bible, LOL.

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Like you do have any knowledge of the bible, Horse Dude.
So far you show to understand as much of the bible as my 1 year old nephew understand Sesamstreet

Reading and understanding are two different things.

	17-07-2002 13:24									#57
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Unfortunately, God thought leaving the creation in the Bible was evidence enough. Unfortunately, some would diagree...

And if you shape up evolution, it does appear to be a valid theory at first glance. Even second. If people struggle for years to understand it, there is no way some of these guys would...

	17-07-2002 13:28									#58
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Rasslin:

quote: Hey, God warned them that they would pay the price if they kept disobeying Him!

Umm... And what did Bin Laden and the Taliban say was wrong with Americans and why they deserved to be killed? Oh yeah... cause we were disobeying God by our decadence and sin...

	17-07-2002 13:32									#59
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Exactly! Bin Laden claims that we are sinners, but he is the bad guy. Like I said, hypocrites!

It is best to leave judgement to God.

	17-07-2002 13:35									#60
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Rasslin:

You claim Bin Laden is the bad guy, but he calls you a sinner...

It's the same thing... Christianity and Islam could be united with no real ideological or moral change... Hell, excluding eclessiatical Christianity (catholicism, anglicism, etc) and Islam (Shi'ite), the Protestant idea of a community of believers and priests with no set defined heirarchy matches well with the same Sunni system (especially today as there is no Kalif).

and leaving judgement to God? How can God love and be so harsh in his judgement?

And you didnt explain Christian Arabs calling the the God of the Trinity by the name Allah...


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