19-07-2002 09:31									#301
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Hey Rass, that's several pages of counter argument you've decided to ignore, in coming to the defence of 'Christian Rock' - I take it you admit defeat! Now, if God created everything on this planet as you claim I'm assuming he created such things as: AIDS Parasites such as Fleas, Ticks, Tsetse Flies, Chiggers etc Other Diseases like Ebola, Cancer, TB, Malaria, Cataracts etc The whole Predator and Prey thing, where say a Lion viciously takes down and brutally kills a Wildebeest in the name of nature - 'Survival of the Fittest' must logically be one of God's credos. He and Hitler seem to see eye to eye in so many ways... So, if God exists - he's not a very nice deity at all! After all, would you like to die from Leprosy - what a horrible way to go? Before you say those that catch the diseases etc deserve it, Father Damian in Molokai spent years tending Leprosy sufferers before catching it and dying himself... God doesn't appear to give a Sh*t about his 'creations'!

He doesn't seem to be here so I'll take over for a while

The biblical view is that it was "through the devil's envy (of God) that death entered the world."

Now the problem of death and suffering probably explains why there are 2 creation stories in Genesis. The first seems to be an explanation of how God made the world. The second, the Garden of Eden story, is meant to explain why the world is so screwed up. And its our fault

	19-07-2002 09:42									#302
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Now, if God created everything on this planet as you claim I'm assuming he created such things as: AIDS Parasites such as Fleas, Ticks, Tsetse Flies, Chiggers etc Other Diseases like Ebola, Cancer, TB, Malaria, Cataracts etc The whole Predator and Prey thing, where say a Lion viciously takes down and brutally kills a Wildebeest in the name of nature - 'Survival of the Fittest' must logically be one of God's credos. He and Hitler seem to see eye to eye in so many ways... So, if God exists - he's not a very nice deity at all!

We were just talking about this the other day, O' great one!!!

Unfortunately, you are too ambiguous to trap him. Then again, he conveniently ignores all facts presented to him

As i said to FG, keep religious arguments out of logical/scientific debates as they cannot hope to win.

You blokes do realise that King of Rasslin will continue to spout unjustifiable remarks until the cows come home?! Why bother speak to those whom are deaf?

	19-07-2002 09:44									#303
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse He doesn't seem to be here so I'll take over for a while The biblical view is that it was "through the devil's envy (of God) that death entered the world." Now the problem of death and suffering probably explains why there are 2 creation stories in Genesis. The first seems to be an explanation of how God made the world. The second, the Garden of Eden story, is meant to explain why the world is so screwed up. And its our fault

Just curious, AH - why do you take religious sides in debates when you are clearly not particularly religious?

Oh, i get it! You're a ****-stirrer!!! You ****-stirrer, you!

	19-07-2002 10:21									#304
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quote: Originally posted by King of Rasslin I'm progressing here! First of all, there is a God out there, regardless of how the universe was made. That is what I'm trying to tell you. God made the universe in 6 days, but I'm just trying to show you that nothing can exist without Him.

None can do. This is begging the question. You are already assuming what you want to prove is true.

	19-07-2002 10:34									#305
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger None can do. This is begging the question. You are already assuming what you want to prove is true.

Exactly! You can't start out with a supposition, and deduce only what fits to be fact! That is not logical. That is not even an argument. It is nothing. Zip. Zero. Three-fifths of f*ck-all!!!

Come back with something better, or don't come back at all!

	19-07-2002 10:34									#306
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Stuff does escape black holes, thanks again to our wonderful friends (that pop uncaused out of nothing) virtual particles since one of the virtual particle pair get sucked into the hole and the other leaves the area so they don't self-annihilate like they usually do.

Just to elaborate on that a bit.

The quantum evaporation of black holes is a Stephen Hawking hypothesis. Due to the nature of the process, micro black holes vanish in the blink of the eye, while large black holes remain quite stable.

	19-07-2002 10:42									#307
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CyberShy,

You still haven't answer my question yet. How does Creationism explain transitional forms?

	19-07-2002 10:43									#308
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quote: Originally posted by Lung Oh, i get it! You're a ****-stirrer!!! You ****-stirrer, you!

Don't forget, Horse is The Troll Machine.

All bow down to the master himself

	19-07-2002 10:45									#309
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger The quantum evaporation of black holes is a Stephen Hawking hypothesis. Due to the nature of the process, micro black holes vanish in the blink of the eye, while large black holes remain quite stable.

Isn't it more than a hypothesis now?

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992527

Actually, it's not exactly what i remembered, but better evidence is better than weak evidence.

	19-07-2002 11:10									#310
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quote: Originally posted by Lung Just curious, AH - why do you take religious sides in debates when you are clearly not particularly religious?

There's a simpler explanation - at about page 5 of a thread I normally change sides.

So I'm just doing what I usually do

	19-07-2002 12:17									#311
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Why do I get the impression that 'Poly has been infiltrated by a bunch of evangelicals and born again Christians who are delurking as they see fit?

Gatekeeper

(P.S. If I witnessed the parting of a body of water, I would most certainly be intrigued and, yes, awed. But it wouldn't make me worship the source of the event. More than likely, I'd be trying to find out how the parting took place and just how one could duplicate the feat.)

	19-07-2002 12:23									#312
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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper Why do I get the impression that 'Poly has been infiltrated by a bunch of evangelicals and born again Christians who are delurking as they see fit?

Actually its more a succession of DL's on a fundy theme. I think I know who is doing it and to them I say, hello, always enjoy your work

	19-07-2002 12:25									#313
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse There's a simpler explanation - at about page 5 of a thread I normally change sides. So I'm just doing what I usually do

Just what i suspected....you're nothing but a petty troller! Granted, a good one, but a troller nonetheless!!

	19-07-2002 12:31									#314
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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper (P.S. If I witnessed the parting of a body of water, I would most certainly be intrigued and, yes, awed. But it wouldn't make me worship the source of the event. More than likely, I'd be trying to find out how the parting took place and just how one could duplicate the feat.)

If one was a creation "scientist" without such grossly preconceived notions as obtained from the bible, one would investigate the origin of such a parting of a sea, and conclude that we should indeed be worshipping THE ALMIGHTY GLACIER GOD!!!

*Lung waits expectedly of being struck by lightning from a cloudless sky*

	19-07-2002 12:34									#315
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quote: Originally posted by Lung Just what i suspected....you're nothing but a petty troller! Granted, a good one, but a troller nonetheless!!

I beg to differ - its not just trolling - the fact is there isn't really much to pick between evangelical Christians and evangelical atheists. They are pretty much the same animal. So what does it matter which side you are on?

This is what I call a "pot calls the kettle black" sort of debate and I'm not even sure there are "sides".

I'm happy if I offend both.

	19-07-2002 15:01									#316
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I beg to differ - its not just trolling - the fact is there isn't really much to pick between evangelical Christians and evangelical atheists. They are pretty much the same animal.

As opposed to evangelical troll machines?

	19-07-2002 15:06									#317
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quote: Originally posted by Lung Isn't it more than a hypothesis now? http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992527 Actually, it's not exactly what i remembered, but better evidence is better than weak evidence.

There is still no conclusive evidence for black holes, so they are still hypothetical objects.

Now that's for black holes. Quantum evaporation is another thing. Even if there are black holes doesn't mean quantum evaporation exist.