17-07-2002 23:14									#91
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Hey Firaxis,

Another question. How much has the file formats changed?

	17-07-2002 23:20									#92
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG * Added Fortify All and Wake All right-click menu commands.

Of the same type or everyone?

quote: Originally posted by MarkG * Editor: Added unit properties.

What properties?

quote: Originally posted by MarkG * Editor: Enabled Add/Delete buttons for Civilizations.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

quote: Originally posted by MarkG Note that there is a maximum of 32 Civilizations.

quote: Originally posted by MarkG * Editor: Enabled Add/Delete buttons for Citizens. * Editor: Enabled Add/Delete buttons for Civilization Advances. * Editor: Enabled Add/Delete buttons for Improvements and Wonders. Note that there is a limit of 256 Improvements and Wonders. Also, changing Improvements and Wonders will have NO effect on the city view screen. The city view screen will behave as though the improvements have not been modified .

YAY!!!! And also to the other Add / Delete buttons added. WOO HOO!!!

quote: Originally posted by MarkG * Added the ability to rename units if they produce a great leader during combat. The player is given a popup to name this unit.

Very cool.

quote: Originally posted by MarkG * Editor: Optimized citizen and government pages slightly.

Advisors? >8 civ-friendly foreign advisor?

quote: Originally posted by MarkG * Fixed bug in Foreign Advisor with the display of some leader heads.

Maybe this is it.

quote: Originally posted by MarkG * Fixed crash that occurred when there are not enough starting locations to play a game. Now, an error message is displayed and the game exits.

Ick. So if the map generator screws up, the game exits?

	17-07-2002 23:22									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Alexnm I'd like to add that it is nice to see the Firaxians posting here, not only Mike, but also Soren. Good support, guys.

I second that, it's impressive to see them hang around the forum to discuss the new patch with us!

	17-07-2002 23:29									#94
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This looks like an incredibly wonderful patch, thanks Firaxis!

	17-07-2002 23:32									#95
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I third that. I was excited to see stuff they put in the patch but even more pleasantly surprised that they read and answered some questions. These are the best PR guys for the company (including the other Firaxians who've chatted and posted

	18-07-2002 00:01									#96
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Hey Mike B. or Soren, any improvements to the AI?

	18-07-2002 00:02									#97
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Sounds very good.

Two questions (maybe I overlooked them).

1. Can you now add/delete units in the editor (not map)?

2. Can you toggle historically correct starting locations?

	18-07-2002 00:08									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Sounds very good. Two questions (maybe I overlooked them). 1. Can you now add/delete units in the editor (not map)?

Yes, it was listed somewhere in this thread as "Things we missed in the first readme".

quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus 2. Can you toggle historically correct starting locations?

What you can do is set the starting location for the civs in the game. So, someone would have to make a mod with everyone's correct starting location.

	18-07-2002 00:22									#99
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Forgive me if I missed this from a previous post asking this?

Can we now place any civilization where we want on the map? Please say yes and not say, "Not until PTW XP comes out? Make my day, week, month will you

	18-07-2002 00:22									#100
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quote: * Added error handling for scenarios with an incorrect number of difficulty levels, eras, espionage missions, experience levels, worker jobs, terrain types, and world sizes. The player will be given a message and the game will exit.

Does this mean we will not be able to add experience levels? Not that it was working properly now, but I was kinda hoping that we would eventually be able to have this feature.

Can we now have more than 36 total resources? Does it matter what order the resources are in in the pcx file?

Did you guys ever figure out what happened to the rivers? i.e. Why do they connect differently now as opposed to the original version of the game?

Are we still unable to make improvements other than Great Wonders obsolete?

	18-07-2002 00:38									#101
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At last. A Golden Age for scenarios . Hopefully the trigers and other scenario events are coming in the PTW Expantion.

	18-07-2002 00:41									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Civfan01 At last. A Golden Age for scenarios . Hopefully the trigers and other scenario events are coming in the PTW Expantion.

Dan said that events were "on the wish list".

Hopefully they'll make it, I think it would be a very important addition.

	18-07-2002 00:48									#103
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ugh, sorry for going on about it, but I feel it's a critical thing to know:

Can we edit the diplomatic relationships between ai civs? Dan? Soren? Mike? Sid?

I can live without events, and I'd be fine if we have to wait until the final patch for PTW for them. Don't get me wrong, the Lord of the Rings Scenario for Civ II wouldn't have been the same without them, but, there were so many great scenarios before that created without scripted events. But, they would've only been altered maps if it weren't for the ability to create good/bad relations between civilizations.

Please tell us? We already love you forever, but we'll also start sending you envelopes of unmarked bills everyday if you let us know. Thanks!

-Rflagg.

	18-07-2002 00:55									#104
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Mike is online, but he no speak. Answer us, oh Enlightened One!

	18-07-2002 01:07									#105
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That's a critical point: Will I be able to force alliances and other diplomatic relationships for scenarios? If I'm making a WWII scenario, I want to make it impossible for Britain or Russia to grovel for peace when the panzers--er, I mean, I want the nations to maintain their historical stances.

	18-07-2002 01:08									#107
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I hope I'm not the only one sitting at work refreshing this window every 2 or 3 minutes. And I hope that shows how much I love this game and look forward to playing with the patch. I work in Beltsville MD, Mike, so if you want I can drive over and ask you in person then come back and post it on here if necessary.

-Rflagg.

	18-07-2002 01:09									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Desert Dog Forgive me if I missed this from a previous post asking this? Can we now place any civilization where we want on the map? Please say yes and not say, "Not until PTW XP comes out? Make my day, week, month will you

Here:

"Editor: Implemented city placement. You can now add, delete and edit cities. When a city is placed, a unique name is automatically generated for it. City art will match the era of the player it is assigned to."

	18-07-2002 01:18									#109
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Impressive patch ! It was definitely worth the waiting

quote: * Editor: Changed maximum allowable value for Appearance Ratio for resources to 900.

What was the previous max. value ?

quote: * Made a slight change to placement of goody huts and bonus grassland tiles. This will have no effect on existing maps and saved games but it will cause new seed-generated maps to be generated differently than they were prior to this version (i.e., using the same seed before this version and after this version will produce maps with a different distribution of goody huts and bonus grassland tiles).

Will this affect the NUMBER of goody hut, or will there be as many goody huts, but distributed differently ?

quote: * Removed the water restriction from terraforming so that all terraform types are now based on the terrain type (except for forts).

Don't we need fresh water to irrigate anymore ?

quote: * Noted that a Marketplace is required to build a Bank in its Civilopedia entry. * Noted that a Factory is required to build a Manufacturing Plant in its Civilopedia entry. * Noted that a Factory is required to build a Coal Plant in its Civilopedia entry. * Noted that a Factory is required to build a Solar Plant in its Civilopedia entry. * Noted that a Factory is required to build a Hydro Plant in its Civilopedia entry. * Noted that a Factory is required to build a Nuclear Plant in its Civilopedia entry. * Noted that a University is required to build a Research Lab in its Civilopedia entry.

Is it specifically written, or does the program automatically update the Civilopedia when you check the "requires building" box ?

Also, Soren told us commercial trait would be improved in the patch, Commercial Civs having +4 to their optimal number of cities, rather than +2 previously. Is it still in the patch ?

Again, thanks for this great work !

	18-07-2002 01:27									#110
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG * Moved tech icons into pediaicons.txt.

No more crashes after adding a tech and viewing the Civilopedia! Yeah!

	18-07-2002 01:31									#111
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quote: Originally posted by rflagg I hope I'm not the only one sitting at work refreshing this window every 2 or 3 minutes. And I hope that shows how much I love this game and look forward to playing with the patch. I work in Beltsville MD, Mike, so if you want I can drive over and ask you in person then come back and post it on here if necessary. -Rflagg.

Your not the only one, I have three windows open: this one, one at civfanatic, and one to browse the other treads.

	18-07-2002 01:35									#112
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG kind of a big list, huh? Thanks to Firaxis' Barry Caudill

Some very useful additions, changes and fixes but one bug that I wish would get fixed is this one [does this happen to anyone else? ]:

When any ship is selected, click the move button to get the automatic movement path line attached to the cursor; move the cursor to the very top or very bottom of the screen to have the map scroll quickly; if you allow the map to reach the polar ice caps and the cursor is still at the top/bottom of the screen (you are trying to scroll past the end of the map I suppose) the game freezes; Ctrl-Alt-Del is the only way to recover and then start the game again and load the last autosave.

	18-07-2002 01:36									#113
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i hope the ability to get 2 settlers at the beginning is in the fix too.

	18-07-2002 01:36									#114
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The patch looks impressive when listed and I can't wait to see it myself. There is one problem though. Does this mean I still can't see all 16 players in the diplomacy sreen? I didn't see that listed as fixed and I'm getting worried because it is a major bug.

	18-07-2002 01:45									#115
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quote: Originally posted by rflagg I hope I'm not the only one sitting at work refreshing this window every 2 or 3 minutes.

Nope.

	18-07-2002 01:47									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The patch looks impressive when listed and I can't wait to see it myself. There is one problem though. Does this mean I still can't see all 16 players in the diplomacy sreen? I didn't see that listed as fixed and I'm getting worried because it is a major bug.

I saw something to the effect of "fixed bug with diplomacy screen and showing faces." I'm not sure if that is the 8 face maximum or not. I hope they fixed it too.

	18-07-2002 01:49									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The patch looks impressive when listed and I can't wait to see it myself. There is one problem though. Does this mean I still can't see all 16 players in the diplomacy sreen? I didn't see that listed as fixed and I'm getting worried because it is a major bug.

Unfortunately, I don't see that fix listed. On the other hand, I don't think it is a bug, but a design decision (the game was originally designed to work with 8 civs max.) Correct me if I'm wrong.

	18-07-2002 01:51									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The patch looks impressive when listed and I can't wait to see it myself. There is one problem though. Does this mean I still can't see all 16 players in the diplomacy sreen? I didn't see that listed as fixed and I'm getting worried because it is a major bug.

That's not a bug, that's how it was designed. They decided it was too cluttered with 16 on the diplomacy screen (or the code too hard to do after it had already been made just for 8, or something like that...).

You'll probably just have to stick with rotating the heads in and out for now.

	18-07-2002 01:58									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Level Your not the only one, I have three windows open: this one, one at civfanatic, and one to browse the other treads.

I have a fourth for the chatroom, just in case.

	18-07-2002 02:03									#120
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG * Added "Always Renegotiate Deals" prefs which forces a renegotiation of every non-peace treaty deal every 20 turns.

I would have preferred if the diplomatic advisor reminded you that a deal has been in place for 20 turns and there was a option at that time to renegotiate or leave in place for another 5 turns, 10 turns or 20 turns (4 options). Sometimes you can loose a lot on renegotiations, so I don't want to automatically renegotiate a deal where I'm getting 110 gold/turn for my silks but I might want to renegotiate a deal where I am only getting 4 gold/turn for my spices.

It would also be good if the diplomatic advisor let you know that a deal has automatically ended e.g. you gave ivory to get an advance or you sold an advance for 47 gold/turn. With the notice you would know that your ivory is free to be sold for gold or another advance or that if you are racing to finish an advance and running a -50 deficit it is going to be -97 gold /turn and you can revisit the situation.