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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sc...000/2135779.stm

Suspects, Professor Denis Evans and colleagues at the Research School of Chemistry at the Australian National University, allegedly used lasers to suspend small beads and violate this storied law, enjoyed by fervent engineers and illogical creationists alike. Although this law is so fundamental, I suggest no more than 100 hours community service if the suspects are apprehended, since it is their first offense and only involved small systems at small timeframes.
If the behavior continues, or others try to reproduce the act, I would support a harsher sentence to deter this crime.

In other legal news, the golden rule has already been broken about 1.6 billion times today. I'm still voting to turn the other cheek to these, but do note the increased frequency of violations.

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"Lisa! In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"

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Laws, pah, they are nothing more than guidelines.

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Thank you, I didn't want to be the one to quote it.

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Silly evolutionists!

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Silly evolutionists!



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Laws, pah, they are nothing more than guidelines.

Yes they are. That's why we have a different word for the concept.

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Just another fallacy that proves evolution is Science Fiction!

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The whole concept of entropy doesn't even enter in evolution, since the earth is not a closed system... So what the hell are you trying to say?

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Bas, Look here: Entropy, Disorder, and Life

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That whole page basically says just what I did in the last post: entropy is irrelevant for evolution.

Are you just taking the piss out of creationist logic? If not, what does this have to do with evolution?

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I think that Cloud9 is referring to this religious movement, of which he is doubtless a major participant.

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Cloud 9 = pretend idiot

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Gibsie = pretend drunk man

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Creation Science is kind of an oxymoron. To start with the answers (creation) and find the evidence, is not deductive, and it does not rely on the evidence.

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Creation Science is kind of an oxymoron. To start with the answers (creation) and find the evidence, is not deductive, and it does not rely on the evidence.


The evidence is flawed. The 2nd Law is merely not even a law at all; it is just a set of guidelines. There is still a lot we don't understand about the universe.

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I think I'm beginning to agree with Gibsie on this.

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Doesn't creation "science" say that Evilution can't be true because it violates the 2nd law of TD? Wouldn't this destroy that argument? How is it Cloud9?


**Disclaimer: I fully realise that creation science is an exercise in idiocy, and that their 2nd law argument is utter bullcrap. I'm just humoring Cloud.**

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Satan is incredibly clever, and he uses his cleverness to deceive people.

But as long as I have the Holy Spirit, he can't deceive me!

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Satan is like Chancellor Palpatine in Star Wars: Well liked, clever, and deceptive.

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It's true, I'm really a sober woman.

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But as long as I have the Holy Spirit...


So you're the one who stole it!

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So you're the one who stole it!


You seem to know nothing about Christianity.

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Oh, don't be so obtuse.

Though I am curious: what does thermodynamics have to do with creationism? You haven't explained why this article leads to the "silly evolutionists" conclusion. Were you just spouting gas again?

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I'm having a hard time believing that Cloud9 is serious. I just can't fathom the depths of stupidity required. Truly, the mind boggles.

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Satan is like Chancellor Palpatine in Star Wars: Well liked, clever, and deceptive.


When I had just seen Attack of the Clones, I was returning home and thought "Hey, that Anakin thing... It's just like in the Bible, when Jesus turns evil!"

Then I thought for a while and... nahh.

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Though I am curious: what does thermodynamics have to do with creationism?


Well the creationists claim evolution is impossible because of the 2nd law of thermodynamics and that things tend toward disorder, so how could complex life arise? Of course if they actually bothered reading the next part about closed systems and acquired an intellect and brain, they'd have realised that the Earth is not a closed system and there is that thing called the, erm, sun, yes, that's it, that does work...amazing eh? Basically 'creationist scientists' totally butchered and misunderstood the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

As for this, interesting, but this looks like one of those really small things. I have my doubts about it's implications though, after all, enzymes function perfectly well...

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Creationists are funny

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Evolutionists are funny.

 
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