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Should I buy a Mac or a PC? (Time out:0 days after 20-07-2002, 08:33)
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Mr. Nice Guy is offline Mr. Nice Guy
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Help Cloud9 make a decision about what kind of computer to buy Suffering from ads?

http://www.apple.com/switch/

Ok, you've probably seen the commercials on TV, maybe. But have ever really thought about switching from a PC to a Mac? I have. I've looked at this site as well as others (PC Magazine, CNET, ZDnet) and I have to say that I am very compelled to switch. But I'd like to see what other Macintosh users have to say before I buy. Here are my questions about Macintosh computers:

What are the advantages and disadvantages of using a Macintosh instead of a PC?

In what ways are Macintosh's and PC's compatible with each other?

Is there good software for the Macintosh, despite their being only about 3,000 titles for Mac OS compared to Windows' 30,000 titles?

Do Macintosh's work better with Internet, about the same, or not as good as a PC?

How do Macintosh's perform in comparison to PC's?

How well do games run on Macintosh's compared to PC's?

How reliable and secure are Macintosh computers compared to a PC's?

Are Macintosh computers highly expandable and easy to upgrade?

Is owning a Macintosh worth the the steep price?


I may have more questions later.

Wait's for Asher's response. . .

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Just for the record folks, I rarely play games on my computer; if I do play games, it's usually at a friends house on a console. But I do like to surf the Internet and listen to music. I would also like to be able to watch DVD movies, burn CD's, and burn DVD's. I would like something that has plenty of firewire and usb ports. And yes, I do work with graphics occasionally. I would like to have something that's portable, but it doesn't have to be "ultra-portable" (I don't plan on using my computer in the car, on a plane, a boat, a train, or whatever. I just want to be able to take it with me wherever I go and plug it into an outlet when I want to use it).

Despite the high price (I'm willing to shell out some extra bucks anyway, even on a PC), the new iMacs seem to fit my demands.

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You definitely need to buy a Mac.

Don't ask any more questions, switch now. Make sure you let everyone know you use a Mac. This way you can successfully join the ranks of Panag and Wiglaf.

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Well, what a surprise answer from Asher.

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Look, it's a personal thing.

From all logical standpoints the PC is the best option.

But if you prefer a flashier, cuter interface and don't mind paying more for inferior hardware, don't mind having a minimal selection of games (which come out long after the PC versions, if at all), then the Mac is for you.

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. . .don't mind paying more for inferior hardware.


Inferior hardware? But I've heard that Macintosh's have much better multimedia than PC's.

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Inferior hardware? But I've heard that Macintosh's have much better multimedia than PC's.


The G4 is obsolete. The only reason it's still around is because the successor is an even bigger screwup for Motorola and they can't get it to work right.
The RAM is obsolete. PCs switched to high-speed DDR 266/333 SDRAM and RDRAM 1-2 years ago, the Mac is still chugging along on PC133 SDRAM.
The system bus is obsolete. PCs switched to a 266MHz system bus (Athlon) years ago, and the Pentium 4s have a 533MHz system bus -- Apple has a 133MHz system bus.
The graphics chips are identical to the PC versions, except Apple charges a significant markup on them in their stores.

"Multimedia" is better on Macs in very few areas, mostly in the very professional areas -- and this is due to the fact that that's where the software is, not hardware.

There's zero advantage of the Mac hardware over PC hardware for consumers -- a big disadvantage actually.

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I've heard that most customers say that Macintosh's give them ample performance to run most applications.

Now I've heard that you can do more with a Macintosh, but not in terms of hardware capabilites, but software capabilities. True?

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But you can't play as many games

nor as well

PCs

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But you can't play as many games

nor as well

PCs

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Fine with me, I don't play that many games anyway. Besides, with Virtual PC 5.0 I can install Windows XP on it and play Windows games.

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You should buy an Inspiron 5000. Preferably used and preferably from a fellow poster.

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quote:
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. . .preferably from a fellow poster.


I guess that would mean you.

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Or someone like me.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cloud9
I've heard that most customers say that Macintosh's give them ample performance to run most applications.

Now I've heard that you can do more with a Macintosh, but not in terms of hardware capabilites, but software capabilities. True?

Complete bull. Macs have FAR less software, how would that let you do more?

To give you some kind of idea just how obsolete the Mac hardware is, here's some results from the industry-standard cross-platform SPEC CPU benchmarks.

AMD Athlon XP 2200+:
SPECint2000= 765
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/res...0701-01441.html
SPECfp2000 = 671
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/res...0701-01442.html

Intel Pentium 4 2.53GHz:
SPECint2000 = 922
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/res...0520-01377.html
SPECfp2000 = 901
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/res...0520-01378.html

Motorola G4 DUAL 1GHz:
SPECint2000 = 307
http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/as...NT2000.002.html
SPECfp2000 = 188
http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/as...CFP2000.002.pdf

Even with a DUAL 1GHz, the G4 puts in an ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC benchmark score. Keep in mind you can get Dual Athlons and dual Pentium 4 (Xeons) as well, you just don't need to.

What boggles my mind even more is you can get an Athlon XP 2200+ system for less than the dual 1GHz system. You could even get a Pentium 4 2.53GHz system for less. It's simply amazing Apple can get away with this, and even more amazing that they've brainwashed many of the Apple followers to think they've got a "supercomputer".

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Complete bull. Macs have FAR less software, how would that let you do more?


I'm not talking about quantity. I'm talking about quality. What can the software do?

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To give you some kind of idea just how obsolete the Mac hardware is, here's some results from the industry-standard cross-platform SPEC CPU benchmarks.

AMD Athlon XP 2200+:
SPECint2000= 765
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/res...0701-01441.html
SPECfp2000 = 671
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/res...0701-01442.html

Intel Pentium 4 2.53GHz:
SPECint2000 = 922
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/res...0520-01377.html
SPECfp2000 = 901
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/res...0520-01378.html

Motorola G4 DUAL 1GHz:
SPECint2000 = 307
http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/as...NT2000.002.html
SPECfp2000 = 188
http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/as...CFP2000.002.pdf

Even with a DUAL 1GHz, the G4 puts in an ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC benchmark score. Keep in mind you can get Dual Athlons and dual Pentium 4 (Xeons) as well, you just don't need to.

What boggles my mind even more is you can get an Athlon XP 2200+ system for less than the dual 1GHz system. You could even get a Pentium 4 2.53GHz system for less. It's simply amazing Apple can get away with this, and even more amazing that they've brainwashed many of the Apple followers to think they've got a "supercomputer".


Regardless of benchmark scores, what I'm trying to say is that most applications today run fine on a system that is at least 700mhz, and most Macs run right around this speed. Anything above 1Ghz is almost insane for today's standards.

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I've heard that macs are better with presentation graphics. But my boss is a mac fanatic, so I really don't know myself.

However, an Inspiron 5000 will get you all the hot chicks.

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quote:
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I'm not talking about quantity. I'm talking about quality. What can the software do?

Again, this is bullshit.

Why would the software on the Mac let you do more? Does that make any sense to you?

There may be the odd obscure program that's not available on the PC, but there are far more programs on the PC that aren't available on Mac. And that's not a simple "quantity" argument, it's the idea that these programs do a whole bunch of different things and you can't get them all on the Mac.

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quote:
Originally posted by DaShi
However, an Inspiron 5000 will get you all the hot chicks.


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Regardless of benchmark scores, what I'm trying to say is that most applications today run fine on a system that is at least 700mhz, and most Macs run right around this speed. Anything above 1Ghz is almost insane for today's standards.

Call me stupid, but why are you going to spend a lot of money on a system that isn't any more powerful than your current system, and offers less software for it?

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quote:
Originally posted by Asher
Look, it's a personal thing.

From all logical standpoints the PC is the best option.

But if you prefer a flashier, cuter interface and don't mind paying more for inferior hardware, don't mind having a minimal selection of games (which come out long after the PC versions, if at all), then the Mac is for you.


quote:
Originally posted by Asher


The G4 is obsolete. The only reason it's still around is because the successor is an even bigger screwup for Motorola and they can't get it to work right.
The RAM is obsolete. PCs switched to high-speed DDR 266/333 SDRAM and RDRAM 1-2 years ago, the Mac is still chugging along on PC133 SDRAM.
The system bus is obsolete. PCs switched to a 266MHz system bus (Athlon) years ago, and the Pentium 4s have a 533MHz system bus -- Apple has a 133MHz system bus.
The graphics chips are identical to the PC versions, except Apple charges a significant markup on them in their stores.

"Multimedia" is better on Macs in very few areas, mostly in the very professional areas -- and this is due to the fact that that's where the software is, not hardware.

There's zero advantage of the Mac hardware over PC hardware for consumers -- a big disadvantage actually.


quote:
Originally posted by Asher

Again, this is bullshit.

Why would the software on the Mac let you do more? Does that make any sense to you?

There may be the odd obscure program that's not available on the PC, but there are far more programs on the PC that aren't available on Mac. And that's not a simple "quantity" argument, it's the idea that these programs do a whole bunch of different things and you can't get them all on the Mac.


quote:
Originally posted by Asher

Complete bull. Macs have FAR less software, how would that let you do more?

To give you some kind of idea just how obsolete the Mac hardware is, here's some results from the industry-standard cross-platform SPEC CPU benchmarks.

AMD Athlon XP 2200+:
SPECint2000= 765
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/res...0701-01441.html
SPECfp2000 = 671
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/res...0701-01442.html

Intel Pentium 4 2.53GHz:
SPECint2000 = 922
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/res...0520-01377.html
SPECfp2000 = 901
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/res...0520-01378.html

Motorola G4 DUAL 1GHz:
SPECint2000 = 307
http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/as...NT2000.002.html
SPECfp2000 = 188
http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/as...CFP2000.002.pdf

Even with a DUAL 1GHz, the G4 puts in an ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC benchmark score. Keep in mind you can get Dual Athlons and dual Pentium 4 (Xeons) as well, you just don't need to.

What boggles my mind even more is you can get an Athlon XP 2200+ system for less than the dual 1GHz system. You could even get a Pentium 4 2.53GHz system for less. It's simply amazing Apple can get away with this, and even more amazing that they've brainwashed many of the Apple followers to think they've got a "supercomputer".


quote:
Originally posted by Asher

Call me stupid, but why are you going to spend a lot of money on a system that isn't any more powerful than your current system, and offers less software for it?


All this negative talk about Macs makes me wonder why you'd even recommend it.

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The first post was kind of a joke, saying I'd prefer you'd "stand over there" and proclaim your love for Apple because it helps my case.

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because Macs are for the Computer Illiterate and Mac junkies

he was joking

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So by your avoidance to my question I'll assume you see my point in the stupidity behind ditching your old PC for a similarly-powered Mac for a lot of money only to have less software for it?

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because Macs are for the Computer Illiterate and Mac junkies

he was joking

Jon Miller


Illiterate, eh? Well, I'm not illiterate, but I'd say that adds up to ease of use, wouldn't you?

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for the power over my system which I want PCs are much better

Macs are only better if you want no control (because you cannot be trusted with any)

to get control over a Mac, you need Linux level know how

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Asher:

Hey, do you have the 800 number for Gateway's customer service? My folks' PC broke down *again* and they burned the card containing the number after the last time the PC broke down six months ago or so.

Oh, calm down, Asher. I'm jus' being sassy cuz you were also.

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Hey, do you have the 800 number for Gateway's customer service? My folks' PC broke down *again* and they burned the card containing the number after the last time the PC broke down six months ago or so.

Gateway? You should probably call 911 before it catches fire.

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So by your avoidance to my question I'll assume you see my point in the stupidity behind ditching your old PC for a similarly-powered Mac for a lot of money only to have less software for it?


Well, Asher, you seem to have confused me by saying that you personally feel I should buy a Mac, but you say that it would be stupid.

So for the time being, I'm not going to take your advice literally. And no, I'm not drowning you out again--I just don't trust you yet.

 
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