22-07-2002 08:47									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller this is a reply to use this smilie because I have never done so before Jon Miller

even more

	22-07-2002 08:50									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Order a Voodoo computer and when you call, call tomorrow morning. Then I can help you out.

nice site

Jon Miller

	22-07-2002 08:52									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Order a Voodoo computer and when you call, call tomorrow morning. Then I can help you out.

I'd get a computer tomorrow, but right now I'm waiting on some moolah. For now, I'll use this time to ponder on my dream system!

	22-07-2002 08:52									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 even more

I guess I need to add it back into the signiture

but I do not spam by definition

I am the anti-spam

Jon Miller

	22-07-2002 08:53									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Order a Voodoo computer and when you call, call tomorrow morning. Then I can help you out.

you need to get some Radeon 9700

(I don't think they are out for another week or so though...)

Jon Miller

	22-07-2002 08:57									#96
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Asher

my machine is a little expensive

over 10000 Canadian

oh well, maybe next year...

Jon Miller

	22-07-2002 08:58									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller over 10000 Canadian Jon Miller

YOU MUST BE RICH!!!

	22-07-2002 08:59									#98
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We're supposed to get them in a month or so. They had a "paper launch", they won't even ship the physical cards to reviewers until 2 weeks from now.

All of the benchmarks you've seen online were from the ATI rigs they set up. They invited the press to come play on them and run some benchmarks and watch demos...

But even though the Radeon 9700 looks very enticing (which it is), the next-gen Nvidia card (NV30) is also waiting to be unveiled. Actually, Nvidia screwed up and posted a PDF file about some of the NV30 features online on their site today, and it kills the Radeon in the areas mentioned...

	22-07-2002 08:59									#99
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no

I was saying the machine I want (if Voodoo made it)

my machine is cheap

the maybe next year was implying that I don't ave the money right now

Jon Miller

	22-07-2002 09:00									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller Asher my machine is a little expensive over 10000 Canadian oh well, maybe next year... Jon Miller

We have ASPs that Dell/Gateway/Compaq/etc can only DREAM of obtaining. The last time we compared ours was 3x higher...

	22-07-2002 09:03									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller no I was saying the machine I want (if Voodoo made it) my machine is cheap the maybe next year was implying that I don't ave the money right now Jon Miller

Voodoopc not for me then. Even though I'm willing to spend some extra cash on my computer, that IS WAAAAAAAY TOO EXPENSIVE FOR ME!!!

	22-07-2002 09:06									#102
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So you're up for spending way too much money for an underperforming iMac, but when the opportunity arises to spend way too much money on the world's fastest PC you chicken out?

	22-07-2002 09:08									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Asher So you're up for spending way too much money for an underperforming iMac, but when the opportunity arises to spend way too much money on the world's fastest PC you chicken out?

I've talked to dishonest people before. You are no exception, my friend.

	22-07-2002 09:08									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Asher We're supposed to get them in a month or so. They had a "paper launch", they won't even ship the physical cards to reviewers until 2 weeks from now. All of the benchmarks you've seen online were from the ATI rigs they set up. They invited the press to come play on them and run some benchmarks and watch demos... But even though the Radeon 9700 looks very enticing (which it is), the next-gen Nvidia card (NV30) is also waiting to be unveiled. Actually, Nvidia screwed up and posted a PDF file about some of the NV30 features online on their site today, and it kills the Radeon in the areas mentioned...

you should have put the screwed up in quotation marks

is it still there, or do you have a copy?

Jon Miller
(who needs a new video card (but that would probably be overkill))

	22-07-2002 09:10									#105
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http://developer.nvidia.com/docs/IO..._whitepaper.pdf

	22-07-2002 09:10									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 Voodoopc not for me then. Even though I'm willing to spend some extra cash on my computer, that IS WAAAAAAAY TOO EXPENSIVE FOR ME!!!

that is for customized

the ones they have show on their site are more in the 2000 price range (are still pretty sweat)

Jon Miller

	22-07-2002 09:13									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Asher We have ASPs that Dell/Gateway/Compaq/etc can only DREAM of obtaining. The last time we compared ours was 3x higher...

I would never buy from one of those companies

if I want cheap, I will build my own

if I want sweat, I will have a company like yours do it (or Alienware or GamePC)

Jon Miller

	22-07-2002 09:14									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Asher http://developer.nvidia.com/docs/IO..._whitepaper.pdf

How far is it out??

Jon Miller

	22-07-2002 09:18									#109
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The NV30 will be shipping from OEMs and on store shelves in October-November.

It's a weird situation. The design's been done for months, but it's being produced on a 0.13 micron transistor process. The company who makes the chips for both ATi and Nvidia is the Taiwanese Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC). Right now all they have fully working is the 0.15 micron transistor process (which is bigger and slower than 0.13).

ATI made their Radeon 9700 on 0.15, Nvidia on 0.13. Even though they were both designed around the same time, ATI will get their card out months in advance due to TSMC having problem with manufacturing the 0.13 cards.

	22-07-2002 09:20									#110
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I can upgrade a intel 300+ whatever (or Amd equal) to a p4 1.7 for $300.00 Cdn. No biggy get em while you can.

	22-07-2002 14:26									#111
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quote: But IT CERTAINLY IS NOT FOR ANYBODY WHO DOES ANYTHING MORE THAN THE DEAD AVERAGE, not adequate for gamers, application people, or anything else more than typing, making cheesy graphics and internet surfing (even that has its limitations.

Yeah, who would ever use a Unix-based system for getting anything done ?

	22-07-2002 17:46									#112
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Certainly not me, John.

	22-07-2002 18:44									#113
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eh. if i were you, i'd fuggedabout all these guys ranting and raving about which one sucks and what not.

if you really want a computer that you can be happy with, find a friend who has a good mac, and find a friend who has a good windows pc. play around with it, see what you like better. i mean, really, it comes down to what you're more comfortable with. gaming, as you've mentioned, said is not as big of a concern, so. and in terms of productivity, it doesn't really matter, because few people actually require processor-intensive suites like maya4 or what not.

once you pick an os, be it OSX 10.2 or WinXP SP1, it's easier from there.

if you pick a mac: do you plan to upgrade? if no, then maybe one of those pug-fuggly imacs is for you. do you favor looks over performance? maybe a nice barebones mac tower is good. do you favor performance? try a dual processor tower.

if you pick a pc: do you want cutting edge innovation? be prepared to pay a little more, for perhaps maybe alienware or voodoopc or what not. do you want a decent reliable system that's relatively easy to upgrade with good tech support? try dell. do you want pure crap? try any of those bargain types, or gateway.

just... follow your bliss. find what's comfortable, and pick it. screw processing power. it doesn't sound like you'll need it that much.

	22-07-2002 19:29									#114
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Well, in some synchronicity, I've stumbled upon some video and graphics editing benchmarks.

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/...cw_macvspc2.htm

Enjoy.

Wraith
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	22-07-2002 19:32									#115
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I've used macs and PC's for years at work and at home and during that time I've switched my opinion about which is better back and forth. For now though, macs are so far behind hardware-wise that the choice is obvious unless you want to throw away your money.

	22-07-2002 20:14									#116
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NOTICE: The original post in this thread has been edited.

	22-07-2002 22:18									#117
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@ the benchmarks Wraith has linked to.

A Dual 1GHz G4 can't even come CLOSE to match the speed of a SINGLE Pentium 4 2.53GHz. Imagine a dual Pentium 4 2.53GHz Xeon.

The 2.8GHz Pentium 4s come out in 1-2 weeks, also.

	22-07-2002 22:26									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Asher @ the benchmarks Wraith has linked to. A Dual 1GHz G4 can't even come CLOSE to match the speed of a SINGLE Pentium 4 2.53GHz. Imagine a dual Pentium 4 2.53GHz Xeon. The 2.8GHz Pentium 4s come out in 1-2 weeks, also.

And name a single normal user who would need dual anything?

But I do agree, the G4 is based on antiquated architecture and is to be avoided at all costs. And by no means reaches the speed of a Pentium 4. (Damn, even I wouldn't see siding with Intel but here I got no choice)

	22-07-2002 22:27									#119
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Did you see those benchmarks, Fez? A single Pentium 4 was about on par with the performance of dual Athlon XPs...

	22-07-2002 22:29									#120
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Edit: Now I read those closer... that place must of been bribed by Intel... it was one not two Intel.

Asher shut up please. AMD Althon XP 2000+ is like 1.7Ghz or something... that Pentium was 2.5Ghz or something like that. Actually that was pretty good. It is not like I have sympathy for a company that will be made into garbage (Intel) after AMD releases its new line.