23-07-2002 07:48									#61
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Well, you're correct, I don't know as much about Canada and its problems as you do. Tell me, does Canada have as many homeless/poor people as the US? Has Canada had to deal with racism since its existence began? How many race riots has Canada had?

I'm not being sarcastic here Asher. Since I've never been to Canada, everything I know, I've learned from newspapers, magazines, TV, word of mouth, school, and the internet. Educate me... make an impression on my young mind.

	23-07-2002 07:50									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'm appalled you find loss of others such a great thing, regardless of your political beliefs.

There's no actual loss of wealth involved, Asher.

	23-07-2002 07:50									#63
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quote: The two parties with conservatives in power for the past 5 years at least are Ontario and Alberta, and those are also the only two provinces labeled "have" provinces from the government. These two provinces fund budgets in the other provinces since they aren't as well off.

Asher that is pure turd Alberta has oil and on of the wealthest provinces and a huge homeless poor problem.
ontario has taxes and an even bigger homeless poor problem. The rest have nothing but poor and homeless.
over all the system is wrong not one kid should go hungry while our beloved leaders talk of profits not one.... one top of that nail the poor the aged and the sick with more taxes while giving tax breaks and shelters to the "haves" as you elitist's like to call it.

it is immoral and it is greed give it up people greed kills....

	23-07-2002 07:51									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Fez You apparently were getting all prissy towards me and saying I shouldn't speak because I am not american. You just violated your own opinion, you want me to shut up and therefore not to have any freedom of speech.

I got prissy towards you and told you that you shouldn't speak because you were lecturing me about what it means to be American (not in so many words). You can express your freedom of speech all you want. But don't feel bad when somebody points out when you're wrong and when you're speaking of about a subject from which you know little about.

	23-07-2002 07:53									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger There's no actual loss of wealth involved, Asher.

Possibly the most clueless thing say today on this board. Congratulations!!!

	23-07-2002 07:53									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I got prissy towards you and told you that you shouldn't speak because you were lecturing me about what it means to be American (not in so many words).

I did? If I did, I will apologize to you right now because I am not American.

quote: But don't feel bad when somebody points out when you're wrong and when you're speaking of about a subject from which you know little about.

I am not wrong, as we are talking opinion. You are not wrong either. This is opinion. Not rocket science. I don't know little about the US, so quit making assumptions.

	23-07-2002 07:54									#67
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Racism is all but dead in the baby-boomer generation and later. Racists are on the fringe, where they should be. There was a time when most people would be considered racists in modern times. I don't know how things are in the rest of the world, but the incidence of utter idiocy and of racism are closely linked in this nation.

I'm just throwing this out: If one is somehow prevented by an outside force from ever committing sin, is that person necessarily virtuous?

	23-07-2002 07:54									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Well, you're correct, I don't know as much about Canada and its problems as you do. Tell me, does Canada have as many homeless/poor people as the US? Has Canada had to deal with racism since its existence began? How many race riots has Canada had?

Canada doesn't have to deal with those problems, in generall. Of course there are many homeless and poor people, as well, though, as all capitalist societies will have.

Canada has other problems, such as the alienation in Quebec and Western Canada (Quebec almost left the country in the 90s via vote).

Canada also has a "corrupt' government (69% of Canadians believe it is corrupt, not to mention public scandals), we've got a near newspaper monopoly by CanWest Global, whose owner is buddies with our Prime Minister, who recently fired a few editors who wrote columns criticizing the PM...

Canada may not have the racial tension of the US, but we do have the same diversity.

	23-07-2002 07:55									#69
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Asher that is pure turd Alberta has oil and on of the wealthest provinces and a huge homeless poor problem.

I see far more homeless people in Winnipeg and Vancouver than Calgary. Maybe I'm missing something? What the hell do I know, I only live here. Where do you live again?

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C'mon Fez, gimme a hug...

The only part I thought you were wrong is that saying what I was doing was treason. It might be your opinion, or a misinterpretation, but you were wrong.

Even though they are dispicable, I don't think your political beliefs are wrong, per se, just somewhat "morally challenged", but then again, we all have different morals.

	23-07-2002 07:59									#71
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Dan, you are quite mistaken. Although the majority of baby boomers and later aren't racist, it still is alive and well. Ironically, I went to the bathroom today at my college after my Art class and there was a swastika inside the stall... go figure...

Racism is very much alive in well, go to a prison if you disagree, or go to the deep South, or listen to Rush Limbaugh.

	23-07-2002 08:00									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Sava C'mon Fez, gimme a hug...

Cool... but I am a skinny kid... so don't hug too hard...

quote: The only part I thought you were wrong is that saying what I was doing was treason. It might be your opinion, or a misinterpretation, but you were wrong.

That was pass the line and something I shouldn't of said.

quote: Even though they are dispicable, I don't think your political beliefs are wrong, per se, just somewhat "morally challenged", but then again, we all have different morals.

My beliefs despicable? Well I better not ask because I will never know why...

	23-07-2002 08:00									#73
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aight, I'm turning in now guys, I'll respond to further posts in the morning... G'night all...

	23-07-2002 08:01									#74
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quote: 200,000 Canadians -- men, women and children -- who are homeless. Indeed, the fastest growing segments among the homeless are young people under age 18 and families with children. A recent task force report indicated that 46 percent of those using Toronto's hostels in 1996 were families and that 5,300 children lived in hostels in that year.

The year before that all Conservative governments accoss the board cut welfare by 25% and since then it has not had one single hike. The numbers some say have quadtripled.....To this extent it was estimated by the U.N. who has investigated Canada and it's treatment of the poor and the sick and the aged and the homeless in Ontario alone 7 times... That in Toronto alone there are several hundred thousand homeless including kids.

Canada has been summonded by the U.N. 5 times I think now to answer to this...

Yet we boast cash and profits...

	23-07-2002 08:02									#75
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rest assured that I'll let you know what I think is despicable, damn I'm too tired, I can't spell... We're all on the same lump of rock, hurling through the galaxy, we'd all better talk out our differences and come to some kind of understanding or it'll be a rough ride

	23-07-2002 08:03									#76
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blackice, you're such an idealist.

I would eliminate poverty if I could, blackice, it's just not in the cards, baby.

As you've clearly demonstrated, under a social democracy poverty can still be rampant. Especially in left-wing areas such as Manitoba.

Next troll, please.

	23-07-2002 08:08									#77
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Speaking of trolls canada is not a social democracy fool.
Secondly you whine and complain at salva for her comments about the stock market then quickly laugh off homeless kids.=Idiot in anyones book.

	23-07-2002 08:08									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Dan, you are quite mistaken. Although the majority of baby boomers and later aren't racist, it still is alive and well. Ironically, I went to the bathroom today at my college after my Art class and there was a swastika inside the stall... go figure... Racism is very much alive in well, go to a prison if you disagree, or go to the deep South, or listen to Rush Limbaugh.

Actually, I live in Texas, and we must be better than all of you. There are racists, but they are few and far between. Out of the 2000 people at my school, I would estimate perhaps 10 racists. Two of them are chinese. Racists are inbred fringe morons, and that type likes to carve grafiti in restroom stalls.

And Rush Limbaugh is a moron, but he's hardly racist. Stupid and loudmouthed is as Stupid and loudmouthed does, sir.

	23-07-2002 08:09									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Sava #1 change to the stock market AS IS Publically Traded companies' earnings, cash flows, and bugdets would be made public domain. Straight from the accountant's desk to the bulletin board, so to speak. #2 an addition to the gov't/ or non-profit company An agency devoted to looking over accounting, and then providing free analysis of the market, companies, and industries.

Well congradulations Mr. President, both those things already exist. #1 can be found in a companies finacial reports. #2, while not free, is exactly what analysts are paid to do. Furthermore the information is available for you to analyze yourself if you'd look.

I also question whether or not you realize you're suggesting that, presumably, government employees should be in the position to recommend stocks? Talk about conflict of interest.

	23-07-2002 08:10									#80
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Speaking of trolls canada is not a social democracy fool.

What do you call a democracy that offers public health care, public education, and insane taxbreaks to the poor?

Are you being picky about the word democracy? "social constitutional monarchy"...happy?

quote: Secondly you whine and complain at salva for her comments about the stock market then quickly laugh off homeless kids.=Idiot in anyones book.

Hmm. I said I wish I could eliminate poverty, Sava is jumping up and down doing a victory dance because the stock market is in the sh*tter and millions of people are losing tons of money.

Wanna explain to me how you compare the two?

	23-07-2002 08:11									#81
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"

Canada has been summonded by the U.N. 5 times I think now to answer to this... "

Canada is a soverign nation that does not need to listen to the U.N.


No change in the capitalist system is going to come of this. The best case scenario for the leftists in this is the Democrats do great in Congressional elections(that in itself isn't even clear). But this recession will almost definitey have ended by the '04 presidential elections, and neither party has advocated anything that would come close to changing the capitalist system. So all you leftists who hope to use the suffering of others to further your agenda will likely be disappointed.

	23-07-2002 08:12									#82
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IMPLEMENTATION OF THE INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND CULTURAL RIGHTS

Which canada signed Asher and is not living up to the agreement. You do not need to be a social democracy to care about people Asher you need to be a human being though. You missed that class right?

Again greed does kill...have some class man

	23-07-2002 08:14									#83
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quote: Originally posted by blackice IMPLEMENTATION OF THE INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND CULTURAL RIGHTS Which canada signed Asher and is not living up to the agreement. You do not need to be a social democracy to care about people Asher you need to be a human being though. You missed that class right? Again greed does kill...have some class man

Innocent questions:
Have you ever, just once, entered a debate where you actually understood what the topic was?

Have you ever, just once, entered a debate where you don't consistently troll somebody's personality while at the same time calling them immature?

Have you ever, just once, thought of taking the time to type out a coherent response?

Cheers!

	23-07-2002 08:14									#84
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quote: So all you leftists who hope to use the suffering of others to further your agenda will likely be disappointed.

heh the other way around it is capitalist's that use the poor to further their agenda. The rest bring it fully to their attention...

	23-07-2002 08:15									#85
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I see Asher is stumped again nothing on topic or useful to say

	23-07-2002 08:16									#86
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Comandato once:

Thou shalt not use insults in thine arguments.

	23-07-2002 08:18									#87
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quote: Originally posted by blackice heh the other way around it is capitalist's that use the poor to further their agenda. The rest bring it fully to their attention...

So which is it, blackice?

Do the capitalist ignore the poor or they use the poor to further their agenda? I could have sworn you've said both.

	23-07-2002 08:19									#88
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quote: Originally posted by blackice I see Asher is stumped again nothing on topic or useful to say

The topic is the stock market.
I would endulge you and go into a rant about the UN and Canada's "homeless" problem but it'd be threadjacking and I really don't feel like arguing with someone that I can already predict the argument (excessive use of "grow up", "mommy and daddy", "rich", etc). I don't have the energy to babysit you.

	23-07-2002 08:24									#89
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still nothing useful on topic to say

I hope it does crash those few "elitist's" will have to come up with a new way to use people to further their greed.

When san Fran burned to the ground it was rebuilt on the promise to pay back the loans. The poor became wealthy and the city prospered. What lesson did you learn from that Asher?

	23-07-2002 08:26									#90
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quote: When san Fran burned to the ground it was rebuilt on the promise to pay back the loans. The poor became wealthy and the city prospered. What lesson did you learn from that Asher?

When Alberta found oil, the poor became wealthy as well because those farmers owned valuable oil land.

Oh, I'm sorry, were you trying to make a point?

Be careful how you draw conclusions.