23-07-2002 06:11									#1
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The market fell over 225 points! YAY!! A lot of analysts in the Chicago area are predicting it will fall to 4500. That will be great! It's about time all the capitalists get reamed for overinflating their market. Hopefully, this will be a lesson to the average investor, and this country won't become so dependent upon such a volitile system.

I'm going to grab a beer and some popcorn for the fun tomorrow!!

	23-07-2002 06:13									#2
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I'm appalled you find loss of others such a great thing, regardless of your political beliefs.

	23-07-2002 06:16									#3
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If you play with fire you get burned. If you have invested in the stock market and lost money, that's your own damn fault. My mom has actually lost about 10 grand on her 401k. But my savings has grown about 16% since January because I am smart with my money and I put it in stable funds.

The only people I feel sorry for are the people whose life savings were in 401k's that got hit. But their loss will spark reform against such loss in the future.

That's okay Asher, when you grow up, you'll understand.

	23-07-2002 06:20									#4
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Sava, you're such an ass.

Your "grow up" comment is particularly hypocritical.

You're using the loss of others as a way to try to push your political opinions on others. Not only this, but you're doing it like it's a form of entertainment and you even expressed great satisfaction because of it.

No wonder nobody likes the lefties.

	23-07-2002 06:22									#5
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i love it when the stockmarket crashes.

all those bojo "players" can hit the dirt and vanish for all i care

bunch of malakes

	23-07-2002 06:23									#6
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talking about the big fishes of courtse

the average merokamatiaris has no fault

	23-07-2002 06:25									#7
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apart from the fiasco that happened in Greece,

in normal terms,

if you play in the stockmarket (and everything is like it should be) and you lose i dont give a rats ass hair.

actually i would gladly see the whole thing scorched to the ground

	23-07-2002 06:25									#8
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that's right console love boy... I want the decadent greedy economic system in this country to collapse so that reform will take place that will improve the lives of the other 95% of us who don't make millions. Sure, some people will lose out in the short term. But in order to make an omelette, you've got to break some eggs.

	23-07-2002 06:27									#9
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Sava, you do understand the basic boom & bust philosophy behind capitalism and the stock market?

It's part of the cycle, it's not going to change the economic system or political system of the US, it's just losing people money.

But hey, why don't we declare it the National Leftist Holiday and let people like you dance around nude in the streets signalling the end of the ******* capitalists?

(And the only thing stopping you from making millions is your idiocy, Sava)

	23-07-2002 06:34									#10
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Yes, I understand the system all too well (two years of being an accounting major will do that to you). It inflates, the rich make tons of money then they sell, then it deflates and the average Joe and Jane lose money. I believe its called Reaganomics. The rich get richer, while the desparity between the classes gets larger. The only problem is that a lot of the big wigs are getting hit hard now, and that, my young padiwan, does give me pleasure.

Ahhhh I can dream can't I. In all honesty, I know the system won't collapse, but a good round of hoping and cheering never hurt. And plus, I get to come on the boards and make all the righty fascitalitists angry .

"Life has it's little bonuses"
a gold star if you can name that movie miss! (I mean Asher)

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	23-07-2002 06:36									#11
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well i remember the "golden days" oif the stockmarket here.

when the index was going up and up and up and people thought they had found the gooze which layed the golden eggs.

how ridiculous they were, and how criminal the government



anyway all you could hear about was the stockmarket.
stockmarket this stockmarket that it drove you crazy

what about cinema and thatrical plays or music, politics etc etc . NOPE! JUST THE STOCKMARKET!


I seriously contamplated to leave the country if this kept going on....

it was like a disease, a bad dream with no escape..


everybody and everything talked about the stockmarket and stock tips and company tips ad AAAAAHRG!!!


when it got busted.... oh god thank you... like an alien ship got blusted to kingdom come.


thank you god for making the stockmarket going bust.

true people lost their money but the salvation of our souls is infitively more important

	23-07-2002 06:37									#12
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I think anybody who wants the stock market to crash should be jailed for treason! They have no place in society!

	23-07-2002 06:39									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Yes, I understand the system all too well (two years of being an accounting major will do that to you). It inflates, the rich make tons of money then they sell, then it deflates and the average Joe and Jane lose money. I believe its called Reaganomics.

How could somebody with an accounting major have such a fundamental misunderstanding of Reaganomics? Reaganomics is essentially supply side economics...it doesn't directly imply anything about the stock market.

quote: But nothing would give me more pleasure to wake up to the headline in the Chicago Tribune tomorrow, "Ken Lay found dead" with the caption, "Former Enron CEO and 20 other executives from WorldCom, Enron, and Arthur Andersen were found in what can only be describe as a medieval dungeon, apparantly tortured for months, all found castrated with their penis's in their mouths."

Can't you get banned for saying that?

quote: Ahhhh I can dream can't I. In all honesty, I know the system won't collapse, but a good round of hoping and cheering never hurt. And plus, I get to come on the boards and make all the righty fascitalitists angry .

You're an inconsiderate bastard, and I'd think most of the lefties here wouldn't want you on their side of a debate for obvious reasons...

Besides, I don't see what the difference is: In capitalism, it's man vs man...in communism it's just the opposite.

Or if you're not a communist, are you just someone who supports a democratically elected command economy?

	23-07-2002 06:39									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Sava that's right console love boy... I want the decadent greedy economic system in this country to collapse so that reform will take place that will improve the lives of the other 95% of us who don't make millions. Sure, some people will lose out in the short term. But in order to make an omelette, you've got to break some eggs.

Cheers well said you two

Only young boys living off mom and dad no names
Have no clue about the real world. If you think for one minute Asher this will not change things you need to grow up. All systems change and with the BS this system has going for it the change will be hard and fast...Who knows maybe you will even have to work your way through school?

	23-07-2002 06:41									#15
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Sava, you do realize 50% of American's own stock?

	23-07-2002 06:42									#16
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Sava basically wants:

The US to become Somalia! Wipe out wealth of an entire country! **** UP THE WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE FOR GOOD! MAKE PEOPLE STARVE! I AM SICK OF HIM.

MY beliefs that he should be jailed for treason are growing...

Sava, apologize to us all now!

	23-07-2002 06:43									#17
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Cheers well said you two Only young boys living off mom and dad no names Have no clue about the real world. If you think for one minute Asher this will not change things you need to grow up. All systems change and with the BS this system has going for it the change will be hard and fast...Who knows maybe you will even have to work your way through school?

What is UP with you and "grow up?

Look at history, man, even after 1929 we're still very capitalist. Sure, there's more safeguards but it's essentially the same system.

This isn't nearly as bad as 1929 and you seem to think we're suddenly going to switch to something else or something?

And damnit, blackice, I do work and pay my own way through school. Get a ****ing clue.

	23-07-2002 06:43									#18
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BTW, a weaker dollar means more exports... so the stock market will shoot up soon because of that factor...

	23-07-2002 06:47									#19
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You are quite wrong WhiteElephants, the Chicago Tribune reported a study last year that over 60% did not own any stock whatsoever. Only about 19% of the US active parcipates in stock trade. I believe there was a 3% margin of error. It was sometime last week, but I'll try and find some stats online.

Asher: I meant that the stock market's philosophy was the same as Reaganomics.

Fez: You obviously know nothing about what it means to be American. To speak out against tyranny and corruption in government is American. Or haven't you heard about a little scuffle called the American Revolution?

I can't predict the future. I don't know what will happen. All I know is that times are changing, and people are fed up with this Corporate Republic that we live in (Americans, not you damn foreigners ). Until the day I die, I will strive to be a catalyst for such change. Apolyton today, tomorrow, the world!

If that whole Ken Lay death thing is against the rules, I issue a preemptive apology before I feel the wrath of Ming.

	23-07-2002 06:49									#20
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Hmmm...

So, Sava, what economic policy would you suggest?

Communism? (Yeah, we all know how great that's turned out.

Socialism?

Military conquest and tribute?

	23-07-2002 06:50									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Asher: I meant that the stock market's philosophy was the same as Reaganomics.

You're still quite wrong, Sava.

	23-07-2002 06:50									#22
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some of us Canadians share the same views
Oh really Asher a 7-11 I bet

	23-07-2002 06:51									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Sava You are quite wrong WhiteElephants, the Chicago Tribune reported a study last year that over 60% did not own any stock whatsoever. Only about 19% of the US active parcipates in stock trade. I believe there was a 3% margin of error. It was sometime last week, but I'll try and find some stats online.

Depends on what the definition of "owning stock" and "trading stock" is. You can have money invested in a 401k and neither own stock nor trade it, yet the economic livelyhood of your 401k is directly tied to the markets performance.

	23-07-2002 06:52									#24
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quote: Originally posted by blackice some of us Canadians share the same views Oh really Asher a 7-11 I bet

I've worked at a bunch of places, I'm currently working at Voodoo Computers, which is hardly a 7-11.

	23-07-2002 06:52									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Fez: You obviously know nothing about what it means to be American. To speak out against tyranny and corruption in government is American. Or haven't you heard about a little scuffle called the American Revolution?

What a fictious claim. There is no tryanny in the government, there may be corruption but heck at least the government is highly transparent.

quote: I can't predict the future. I don't know what will happen. All I know is that times are changing, and people are fed up with this Corporate Republic that we live in (Americans, not you damn foreigners ). Until the day I die, I will strive to be a catalyst for such change. Apolyton today, tomorrow, the world!

****. You never seem to understand what economics is. Your entire set of beliefs is screwing people who work for a living. Corporate republic is better than some ****ing hell hole like Somalia, pardon my language there, but I must be frank with you: GET A GRASP ON REALITY. Stop with this unrealistic revolutionary garbage and rise up over this nonsense. REALITY CHECK!

quote: If that whole Ken Lay death thing is against the rules, I issue a preemptive apology before I feel the wrath of Ming.

Apologize because you really have made a lasting impression you are nothing more than a corrupt anarchist in my mind.

	23-07-2002 06:53									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Sava If that whole Ken Lay death thing is against the rules, I issue a preemptive apology before I feel the wrath of Ming.

It's your discription that goes over the line.
Just delete it, and then pound your head against the wall hard 100 times... and then, you will be forgiven

	23-07-2002 06:56									#27
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Sava, out of rampant curiosity, how old are you?

If it is more than 8, could you please act it?

So do you think the Great Depression was a good thing? Suffering and los of pride is funny? Starving children, crime, and general poor-being are definitely something to hope for. Why, look at Sub-saharan africa- they're having a ball over there.

	23-07-2002 06:57									#28
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Fez, I shall not apologize to you. You don't even live in the US, you aren't an American, so don't lecture me on treason. My family escaped fascism and communism to come to this country. I support freedom.

And saying I want a Communist system isn't just stupid, its absurd. There are many other expletives I could use to describe your accusations, but I won't (looks over shoulder for Ming).

I believe that everyone should at the minimum, be given an equal opprotunity to work hard and advance themselves. I believe that government has the responsiblity to provide food, clothing, safety, health, and education to those who cannot support themselves. I also believe in free enterprise and competition in commerce, but history has proven that the government has to play parent to the corporate children that don't want to play by the rules.

The current economic system is counter-productive in this aspect. Most of the regulations that are in place aren't being enforced.

To set the record straight..

Do I want...
the government to seize property, wealth and possesions?
NO
everyone to get an equal piece of the pie?
NO
everyone to get an equal opprotunity to get a piece of the pie?
YES
everyone to get an opprotunity to achieve their potential?
YES
the government sticking is nose (or other body parts) where it doesn't belong?
NO
a society where smoking, alcohol, red meat, drugs, and violence on TV is banned?
NO.. it should all be legal, but programs to help fight addiction should be free to all, and addicts shouldn't be made criminals.

	23-07-2002 06:58									#29
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done Ming, thank you...

	23-07-2002 06:58									#30
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I apologize for my behavior... I have been made extremely angry but also distressed and saddened by the views of one particular poster.

I will say this one last thing:
Sava, you being that one particular poster, if you want to see suffering which you probably never have. Move to a 3rd world country. I have lived in one for two years so I know. Move to Africa and you will change your opinion faster than the speed of light.