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Flubber is offline Flubber
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saint M.

My mistake. I misread something somewhere as it is clear that we are actually in total agreement so I should have had no disagreement with you in that quote -- and it appears serb is in agreement now as well-- now that he understands that we are talking about a need for additional stimuli. I assume the girlfriend comment was directed at serb

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Blisterz, but the point of this argument is whether or not those conditions are known to the partner or not.

If you enter into a relationship with someone and it is made clear that monogamy isn't expected, that you are both allowed to sleep with other folks, that's one thing. That's an "open relationship," and as long as both partners consent to it, it's fine.

But what Imran and Serb seem to be arguing about is one in which such an expectation is not known, meaning at least one of the partners expected a monogamous relationship. Imran is asserting that if a someone cheats on a partner in this kind of relationship, then that person is acted wrongly, is 100% at fault for the cheating and should bear the burden of responsibility.

Serb is asserting that there are factors which make it "okay" for someone to cheat on a partner, such as the partner not sexually satisfying the person.

IMO, Imran is 100% correct. If two people are together under the concept of monogamy, then they had better remain monogamous. If one is not being satisfied, he or she needs to address that issue with the partner and, if all else fails, leave the relationship to seek satisfaction elsewhere. Cheating on a partner in a monogamous relationship is INEXCUSABLE, and if you do it, your partner has every reasonable cause to boot your butt to the curb in the harshest manner possible. It is lying and betraying your partner.

If you don't like monogamy, then don't enter into monogamous relationships. That's fine. But if you enter into one wherein your partner is expecting monogamy and you cheat, you're a sleaze and it's all on your head, not anyone else's.


I agree with everything you said, Boris.

Even when your partner is not satisfying you sexually in a monogamous relationship, one needs to do the right thing before sleeping with others, and that is, to break up with the monogamous partner first.

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That means Mr Fun agrees with everything I said too .

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That means Mr Fun agrees with everything I said too .




This weird, indeed, but in a good way, I guess.

A moderate liberal and a moderate conservative agreeing on something -- imagine.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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How did this devolve into discussing the female orgasm? I mean, eewwww...

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No one buys you're moderate, MrF...cut it out!

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Who said I was a conservative?

Boris: Because it spun off from a husband not being able to satify his wife.

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No one buys you're moderate, MrF...cut it out!


Oh come on, Boris -- my being a moderate liberal turns you on -- admit it.



And Imran, I thought I remembered from past posts where you mentioned being a conservative/Republican??

There's no hiding from me -- I'm out to get all misguided Republicans, and send them to Mingapulco pernamently.

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I was a Republican, but a Libertarian one.

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I was a Republican, but a Libertarian one.


Oh well -- close enough. You are now on my hit list.

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Come and get...

Oh, sorry got bored of talking to you, Mr. Not-so-Fun.

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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Oh well -- close enough. You are now on my hit list.




Watch out Imran- he'll bore you to sleep and then take advantage of you!

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I think having "friends with benefits" is fine, but only if you're both single and not in relationships.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Oh come on, Boris -- my being a moderate liberal turns you on -- admit it.


Yeah, nothing turns me on more than an apologetic liberal! Wooo, be still my beating heart!

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Men who cheat often do so just because they can and for no other reason. Women whi cheat often do so because they are mad at their husbands.

Do you ever notice that men mostly try to hide the fact that they cheated from their wife while women almost always go home and tell their husband that they cheated and it is all his fault?

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My rather unpopular view is that it's a bad idea to have sex with someone you aren't in love with and don't see yourself possibly ending up with.

Yes, that means I would turn down a one night stand with the hottest girl at my university.

*prepares to be flamed*


I'll drink to wholeheardidily agreement to that David, you are an honorable person. I'm a bit more extreme, I don't believe in sex without marriage or at least without engagement. And no I'm not a Jehovah's Witness.

Serb is offline Serb
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And no I'm not a Jehovah's Witness.

Tell it to someone else.

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It funny how upset women get if you cheat on them. Yet most of the time there the ones who won't put out. So what do they exspect

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My rather unpopular view is that it's a bad idea to have sex with someone you aren't in love with and don't see yourself possibly ending up with.

Yes, that means I would turn down a one night stand with the hottest girl at my university.


I agree with you.

Though I didn't quite follow this rule in the past, with some not so pleasent results.

quote:
It funny how upset women get if you cheat on them. Yet most of the time there the ones who won't put out. So what do they exspect


So leave your partner. If he or she doesn't satisfy you, leave. And then sleep with others. Not the other way around.

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Do you ever notice that men mostly try to hide the fact that they cheated from their wife while women almost always go home and tell their husband that they cheated and it is all his fault?


Me thinks you watch too many soap operas .

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Yeah, nothing turns me on more than an apologetic liberal! Wooo, be still my beating heart!




Me, apologetic??




Oh, and Imran, you take too many sleeping pills during the day -- time to get off of those.

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I'm sorry... but I don't need sleeping pills... just talking to you and...

See, again!

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quote:
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quote:
Do you ever notice that men mostly try to hide the fact that they cheated from their wife while women almost always go home and tell their husband that they cheated and it is all his fault?


Me thinks you watch too many soap operas .


Actually I don't have cable so I rarely use my TV for anything more then watching DVDs or VHS tapes. I get cr*p from my friends about being to cheap for cable but I really do think to much TV rotes the mind and makes people fat couch potatos.

I prefer to spend my free time being a computer potato here at poly!

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Infidelity is always wrong. But sleeping with friends in a casual manner, if you are not engaged in a declared relationship (IOW, nobody would really get upset if they found out), I see nothing wrong with this.

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not wrong, just stupid and superficial

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you know the song: "my sweet sin"? (well it's in greek anyway )

just thought i mentioned that
i dont agree with the concept infidelity but the song is nice.

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not wrong, just stupid and superficial



Infidelity is bad

Stupid and superficial sex can be good. ( although it pales compared to being with someone you love)

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have to say though, around me monogamous marriages are the exception.


everybody's cheating on everybody.

maybe it happens to you too but you dont know.

i find it always spectacular the blissful oblivion into which dwell the cheatees.



in a recent study it was found that 40% of partners cheat on their husbands/wives

(dont remember if the % was for man or woman)

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not wrong, just stupid and superficial


i kinda agree

but, to each their own...while it's against my personal values, i don't have any problem with anyone else doing it

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i kinda agree

but, to each their own...while it's against my personal values, i don't have any problem with anyone else doing it


Thats good. I have alot of respect for people who can think one way and dont mind others to contridict this (as long as it doesnt harm others or society, of course). I cant stand it when others try to push their values onto me - like this Jahovas witness woman who came to my door the other day, sheesh. I was polite (as always) in telling her to please leave me alone.

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