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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:21
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Was heißt das?
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Heresson
I was mistaken... You stick out your tongue more often than
your finger... |
Heresson,
just look on the pic... (Edited: no fingers anymore) Just f*...(Edited: No swearing anymore)... Leave me alone, ok?
Do you happy now? (Edited: no smiles anymore)
Isn't it fun? (Edited: here should be a sarcastic smile)
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Krayzeenbk
Serb may be a revisionist and believe new lies, |
[Heresson mode on]
No, no, no, I told you am not a revisionist and I don't beleive in lies, but only in logic.
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but you all have believed the same 50-100-year old lies. |
Yes, yes, yes, they are beleive in old lies, very old leies, it's very bad. [heresson mode off]
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:21
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Cto delat'? = What To Do ... a book by Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:21
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something published by him after al, not certain if izt was a proper book.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:21
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damned typos
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:21
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Serb, Lenin wrote a book of the same name. In English we call it What is to be done? And boy, what mischief that little book has caused. Lesser minded comrades (which, let's face it, is the vast majority of them) took the book as a guidebook, irrespective of time and events. Lenin, himself, however, said the book no longer had any value after a couple of years. Eventually he had to write another book to counter it, Left-Wing Communism, An infantile disorder. (it goes under various names).
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:21
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Serb, Lenin wrote a book of the same name. In English we call it What is to be done? And boy, what mischief that little book has caused. Lesser minded comrades (which, let's face it, is the vast majority of them) took the book as a guidebook, irrespective of time and events. Lenin, himself, however, said the book no longer had any value after a couple of years. Eventually he had to write another book to counter it, Left-Wing Communism, An infantile disorder. (it goes under various names). |
Is this book have another head-line "Manifest komunisticheskoi partii" or " The manifesto of communist party"?
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:21
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No. Lenin wrote What is to be Done? Burning questions of our movement. in 1902. The basic premise is that under the conditions of illegality and repression facing the all-Russian Socialist Democratic Labor Party, there was a need for a centralized party aparatus.
What would happen is that students would come to revolutionary conscienousness, begin learning Marxism, join workers circles, begain agitating for workers rihts, and then get crushed and killed or exiled. Then a new set of people would do the same, and nothing progressed beyond this point. The various circles were disconnected from each others.
Lenin argued that in order to survive and grow, there needed to be a central party apparatus that could learn the lessons of the struggle and retain the necessary information to keep the struggle going as various circles were uncovered and destroyed. It would connect all the circles for a more vigorous debate. It would be democratic, but centralized. The party would debate, and then decide on a course of action which must be obeyed. Membership in the party is voluntary, so you go along with the decisions of the majority or you leave. The party should be made up of those who have dedicated themselves to revolution, and not dilitants and others not clear on the goal of scientific socialism.
At the 1903 conference, the party split along the lines of the book, the majority with Lenin, agreeing to democratic centralism, the minority, refusing to be bound by the democratic decesions of the majority. Hence the names Majority-ite and Minority-ite, Bolshevik[i] and [i]Menshevik (I'm sure you know all this, but this is for the others).
In the 1905 revolution, however, Lenin argued that the conditions had changed, the party needed to open itself up to the masses of workers and operate as a legal, above-ground party. His own book was quoted against him by those who refused to see that things had changed (but still democratic and centralized).
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Krayzeenbk
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I thought the communist manifesto was Karl Marx in the 1820s (or 1840s, can't remember which).
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:21
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Ecthelion,
Before Lenin wrote this article, the Russian writer Chernishevsky wrote the book with absolutely the same name.
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And Serb, you have so much of no idea at all, it bangs |
Why, you thought that I'm a communist?
Sorry commrade, I'm afraid I'm not.
Last edited by Serb on 30-07-2002 at 23:27
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30-07-2002 18:32
I thought you know Russian. I just answered a question "what should I do" you asked on Russian. 
You have a talent to point on critical elements in others speeches. You just missed my points between those two claims. If you could beat them go ahead.
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