30-07-2002 02:12									#241
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newbie invasion

you guys will find that lines on the olive oil level are just in style these days

	30-07-2002 02:12									#242
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Someone brought all his Civ3 section newbie friends

	30-07-2002 04:14									#243
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion When did Dalgetti ever mention anti-Israeli posters?

quote: Ecthelion: that's the ME threads. Everything goes there. Of course , a small troll pointing out Siro , while ignoring Mobius and CyberGnu is ok , isn't it ?

quote: And I just brought him up as an example, because some people *cough* appear to be quite blind on one eye

He is biased towards his own people, just as some of us are biased towards the palestinians. Noone sit on the ultimate truth here.

quote: The matter has been closed by higher authority anyway, but it's always a good move to stand by the big one's knees and shout along

I stand in noones shadow! Don´t take it out on me because Ming gave you some heat.

	30-07-2002 04:17									#244
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are you still talking about the rebirth of the SU? i thought that soviet beast guy was banned days ago

	30-07-2002 04:20									#245
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Yep, but the debate goes on an on and on. This IS Apolyton after all

	30-07-2002 04:23									#246
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Oh, what a thread!

The Soviet Union ... *sigh* ... a noble attempt that failed.

	30-07-2002 04:56									#247
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The Soviet Union was anything but a noble attempt. It was pathetic.

	30-07-2002 07:05									#248
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**** off.

	30-07-2002 07:10									#249
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quote: Originally posted by moomin For your information, here are the conservative estimates of Soviet victims of communist murders: *** Soviet democide from 1917-1991 Total: 61,911,000

It is a TOTAL BULLSHIT.
The entire population of SU in 1941 was about 191 mln people. Everyone who beleive that any government (even the most represive) could kill 1/3 of its population without being overthrown by this population is a total moron.

	30-07-2002 07:15									#250
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What was the population of the Ukraine when the Soviet engineered famine hit and how many people died as a result of it?

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quote: Originally posted by Saras When the Soviet Union comes back, I join the resistance and kill as many commies before they kill me.

I respect your position. Too bad that we'll be on different sides of barikades.

	30-07-2002 07:17									#252
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc What was the population of the Ukraine when the Soviet engineered famine hit and how many people died as a result of it?

Let me guess. 20 mlns? Right?

	30-07-2002 07:18									#253
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"russia will always be worse than its western counterparts."

I don't buy that assumption. Russia has a lot of natural strengths.

"a noble attempt that failed"

Like Fez, I don't see anything noble about it.

	30-07-2002 07:19									#254
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quote: Originally posted by Serb The entire population of SU in 1941 was about 191 mln people. Everyone who beleive that any government (even the most represive) could kill 1/3 of its population without being overthrown by this population is a total moron.

1) They weren't all killed in 1941.

2) It was overthrown.

	30-07-2002 07:20									#255
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Let me guess. 20 mlns? Right?

I don't know. That's why I asked.

	30-07-2002 07:22									#256
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If they weren't all killed in 1941 then how was it overthrown?


(dont know about this, but it's always fun to point out Dino's chasmical schisms of logic )

	30-07-2002 07:22									#257
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc You're right. I was thinking about Russia itself.

I don't remember bread lines in Russia too. I remember lines for meat, but not for bread.

	30-07-2002 07:24									#258
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 If they weren't all killed in 1941 then how was it overthrown?

It was overthrown by a stumbling drunk in 1991, IIRC.

	30-07-2002 07:27									#259
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quote: Originally posted by Serb I remember lines for meat, but not for bread.

Oh, that's much better then.

	30-07-2002 07:28									#260
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quote: I don't see anything noble about it.

and you perpetuate the stereotype of the braindead/brainwashed american

	30-07-2002 07:32									#261
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Brainwashed?

Hardly. Brainwashing is what gives us political correctness. Brainwashing gives us people who think the united states had no effect on the second world war.

	30-07-2002 07:40									#262
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Well the "communist experiment" had as its initial aim the betterment of the appauling living conditions of tens of millions.

So I can certaintly see that such a goal is noble.

	30-07-2002 07:42									#263
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paiktis: I'm afraid that there was more than one goal going on here.

	30-07-2002 07:44									#264
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quote: Originally posted by DanS paiktis: I'm afraid that there was more than one goal going on here.

Such as power...

	30-07-2002 07:48									#265
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quote: Originally posted by Serb **** off.

Thanks for that pathetic thought.

And another thing, the Soviet Union is dead and won't be coming back. Ain't possible.

	30-07-2002 07:49									#266
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Severn Brainwashed? Hardly. Brainwashing is what gives us political correctness. Brainwashing gives us people who think the united states had no effect on the second world war.

Brainwashing is what makes you post in this thread at all, and brainwashing is what made me mad about it

Everyone is wrong and if you argue about it you're even more wrong.

I'm wrong too heh

If you call someone else brainwashed, YOU are brainwashed.

	30-07-2002 07:56									#267
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc 1) They weren't all killed in 1941.

Make a simple calculations:
moomin data:
*** Period Years Total killed

Civil War From 1917 3,284,000
Terror: 750,000
Concentration Camps: 34,000
Forced Famine : 2,500,000

NEP 1923 2,200,000
Collectivization 1929 11,440,000
Terror: 1,733,000
Deportations: 1,400,000
Concentration Camps: 3,306,000
Forced Famine : 5,000,000

Great Terror 1936 4,345,000
Terror: 1,000,000
Deportations: 65,000
Concentration Camps: 3,280,000

Pre-WWII 1939 5,104,000
Terror: 1,932,000
Deportations: 283,000
Concentration Camps: 2,889,000

Sum of all vitims 1917-1941= 43.495.000
Add this number to real population of SU in 1941= 43.495.000+191.000.000=234.495.000
Devide this number on 100:
234.495.000/100=2.344.950
and now devide the number which moomin claims to be true on this number to find out the figures in percents:
43.495.000/2.344.950=18.548% of total population.
It's almost 1/5, it means ifmoomin's figures correct then Soviets killed almost 1/5 of its population for period of time since 1917 untill 1941. This is total bullshit.

quote: 2) It was overthrown.

Really?
Can you prove that it was overthrown by POPULATION?

	30-07-2002 08:00									#268
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Thanks for that pathetic thought.

Any time.
(btw, as for pathetic thoughts you are a champion here. You demonstrated a lot of them in this thread)

quote: And another thing, the Soviet Union is dead and won't be coming back. Ain't possible.

Tell me something new, something that I don't know.

	30-07-2002 08:02									#269
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K19 was kewl

	30-07-2002 08:02									#270
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Any time. (btw, as for pathetic thoughts you are a champion here. You demonstrated a lot of them in this thread)

No actually you, che, and several others are responsible for that. I avoid them at all costs.

quote: Tell me something new, something that I don't know.

Well you seem to enjoy defending the USSR so much.