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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:21
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Originally posted by Dan Severn
Brainwashed?
Hardly. Brainwashing is what gives us political correctness. Brainwashing gives us people who think the united states had no effect on the second world war. |
Brainwashing give us people who think that USA was the major force which defeated nazism during WW2.
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Really?
Can you prove that it was overthrown by POPULATION?
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I can almost prove it wasn't.....
In the days of liberal, honest, and corrupt leadership (1990), around 90% of the populations of every remaining republic in the USSR were against the dissolution of the union. Their leaders were another matter.
If you don't know the history well, don't argue about it.
Many people have said the same things (including me) about how the coup in 1991 worked and who was who, but every once in a while new facts (hopefully they're facts  ) come out in Russia and you have to change your understanding of everything.
1991 wasn't people rising up against the USSR.
It was the elite fighting each other...
Ever seen the images of those tanks in Moscow, with the people trying to stop them? Those were General Lebed's tanks, supporters of Yeltsin. Not one of the people trying to stop the tanks knew that they were on their side, nobody understood what was going on, not even Yeltsin himself.
But in the end the elite was discredited, and with it the entire Soviet Union. So all everyone else could do was just mop up and go their separate ways. You can't just replace the entire leadership of the USSR after 9 days of near-civil war.
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:21
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
He means that he liked the movie. I'm somewhat suprised that you haven't heard of it. |
But why he said it here? What about this movie? (In Russian cinema the headlines usualy different)
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:21
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Sava you should better smoke tobaco instead of sh*t you are smoking now.
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UT, Austin - The live music capital of the world
Jun 2002
time: 23:21
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K19 was a great movie
Communism: On paper it is perfect. In reality, as long as people are self interested - which is human nature- and want to serve themselves more than a society, then it wont work well. A democratic communism would have a better chance of working well than a totalitarian one.
Capitolism: In its purest form it is harsh, and unlikely it could last long before being overthrown do to the rich oppressing the poor, though with a little socialism mixed in, it WORKS. It works because its engine runs on human nature of greed and materialism (or, IOW, wanting a better life) - which nothing is wrong with this as long as it doesnt bring harm to another. This is why laws are needed not just for society, but also to regulate, to a light degree, big business, but not regulate them to much. A balance is necessary for top efficiency - i believe in theoretical economics there are mathmatical equations and stuff for this - but not sure.
Kman
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Krayzeenbk
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Originally posted by Kramerman
K19 was a great movie
Communism: On paper it is perfect. In reality, as long as people are self interested - which is human nature- and want to serve themselves more than a society, then it wont work well. A democratic communism would have a better chance of working well than a totalitarian one.
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It's not perfect on paper, it can't be written on paper. It's perfect in the mind of the person who tries to contemplate it.
The word human nature is useless. Human nature can be changed (by you yourself if you give it a shot). The word human nature is just an excuse, a way for many people to rationalize things they haven't bothered to understand.
Democratic communism is both redundant and wrong at the same time, totalitarian communism in an oxymoron. After all, you think the communists in Russia called themselves totalitarian? Communism isn't a government, it's a way of life.
Communism starts in the person and it will work well if you make it work well, whether your rulers are letting you vote or sending you to Siberia. It's just that if they're sending you to Siberia, then they are not communist.
Most ideally you wouldn't even have any rulers at all, then everything above wouldn't even matter.
As a side note, communism can also be different depending on how you look at it. You could call America more communist that Russia ever was, and that is not a bad thing (I don't mean oppression and limiting of rights, I mean closer to the what we take as our ideals, whatever they may be).
No answer is clear, no answer is right though so it's pointless to argue about it.
Ok there's my rant for the hour 
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
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Cto delat'?
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30-07-2002 08:03
you didn't smoke today?
This is exactly what I was mean, when asked this question.
Ahtung, Partisanen!!!
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