31-07-2002 02:12									#31
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Besides, if each generation is more radical than the last, and they sell out just as much, doesn't that mean that the resulting sell outs are still more liberal than the previous generation?

	31-07-2002 02:12									#32
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quote: Then you get married. Guess what? While she might share the same beliefs, you're wife isn't likely to share the same passion you have for them. Naw, she is going to be far more pragmatic and "sensible" than you are, and she'll tolerate a bunch of talk, but she won't tolerate personally detrimental actions based upon your beliefs, as the following (entirely made up) argument will show:

Does this apply for gay marriage?

Wouldn't it be another (conservative) reason to support gay marriage? After all, you need to get those homosexuals out of the fringes of the Left, too.

	31-07-2002 02:14									#33
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I'm one that's never getting married or having children. Not everyone has to you know.

	31-07-2002 02:14									#34
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quote: Why your protestations against capitalism are doomed to failure...

I think it's simply because the vast majority of people simply don't care what people are protesting about. When people deal with things that directly affect them in negative ways they'll be against it, but a bunch of kids holding up signs blocking traffic doesn't make anyone change their mind.

The people who insist it does simply fried their brains on LSD.

	31-07-2002 02:20									#35
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The phrase "selling out" is lame

Nobody sells out, people make decisions.
You have many roads to take, and just because someone else takes another road doesn't mean they've "sold out"

If you're willing to die for your cause, then you're already dead to your cause.
No cause is worth dying for...

I think it's worthwhile to sometimes consider the very real possibility that you yourself may be wrong (just as I myself am probably very wrong in just saying this to you )

	31-07-2002 02:25									#36
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Respectfully, I disagree John. I live with my girlfriend now, and that still hasn't stopped my hopes and dreams from fading.
Regardless of how busy one is with other things in life, one always has time to do what is right

	31-07-2002 02:25									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Krayzeenbk The phrase "selling out" is lame Nobody sells out, people make decisions. You have many roads to take, and just because someone else takes another road doesn't mean they've "sold out"

Selling out is when a person betrays themselves, or their beliefs - not just when someone takes another path as you.

	31-07-2002 02:27									#38
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Hey, who said I'm taking another path

People rarely betray beliefs, and beliefs rarely betray people.
Beliefs change and evolve, and you shouldn't remain in another stage of the development of your beliefs because you're afraid you'll "sell out"

	31-07-2002 02:31									#39
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I don't fear selling out. As long as I do it for a good bit of money

	31-07-2002 02:33									#40
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Selling out is of course very subjective. I would only use it to describe myself, as I can only understand the motives for my actions. Guessing at why other people do what they do is just that, guessing. To me, if I were to discard my ideals in favor of money, comfort, or a chance at a significant other, that would be selling out.

	31-07-2002 02:35									#41
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True JohnT's glimce at the future might be true for himself and many others but it's not right to make the assumption about everyone out there. The kind of life JohnT lives and have lived is not that common as it might be in the eyes of JohnT. He makes assumpitions about:

* The wife (existance and personality).
* Kids.
* Career.
* Constant strife for higher standard of living.

Sorry JohnT but that kind of life is actually pretty rare. A sizable minority perhaps. You're probably just jealous of a few of the kids here.

	31-07-2002 02:38									#42
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Who knows what the future will bring. I don't know what I will be doing 10 years from now. Who's to say, I don't move to France and work 30 hours weeks, and take 6 week vacations every year?

	31-07-2002 05:06									#43
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The 30 hour week won't make it another year. Not with 10% unemployment and companies saying they're going to be leaving France unless the Socialists make economically feasible laws.

Virtually every new entrapronuer in the last 10 years in France has already packed up and moved to Britian and/or the US because of the anti-business enviroment and this will continue to grow until the frogs make changes.

	31-07-2002 05:14									#44
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ah the usual argument. when you get older you'll see blah blah

didnt bother to read it cause i have life here at me

plenty of people remain communist or socialist in europe after growing up and getting a job


and then they are attacked by people saying :how can you call yourself a communist when youre rich

	31-07-2002 05:20									#45
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Those who drop their little grandoise visions will finally grow up. Communism is not possible and usually there are some young people (certainly not even close to all) who are supporters of it. It is time for the Great Majority to stand up against this immature, lying and insolent group of people who called themselves communists.

I am for people who actually work for a living. I will be working for a living once I get out of school. I don't want the government to provide for me or steal my rights to private property as in communism.

	31-07-2002 05:23									#46
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Working 50-80 hours a week?

There are some things I will NEVER stoop to! NEVER!!!

	31-07-2002 05:24									#47
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Then you can bury your head in the pack full of lies that communists provide you.

	31-07-2002 05:25									#48
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I'm lying, immature, and insolent, eh Fezzie? I see that it takes a fascist to bring that to my attention.

	31-07-2002 05:25									#49
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What is communism?!

	31-07-2002 05:27									#50
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I'm lying, immature, and insolent, eh Fezzie? I see that it takes a fascist to bring that to my attention.

No, I am against a tryannical, inadequate, impudent theory. I am not a fascist but a center-right conservative against those who try to **** with my future. You put my future and at that matter millions and millions of others at jeopardy for your own little gains in your political beliefs, SHAME ON YOU. It will never happen.

	31-07-2002 05:33									#51
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JohnT:

	31-07-2002 05:34									#52
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What about us young people who think communism is a crappy idea to start with

	31-07-2002 05:35									#53
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney What about us young people who think communism is a crappy idea to start with

You're still wrong, you just have the brains not to make yourself look stupid in the process

	31-07-2002 05:36									#54
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Say what you will, but you are not interested in helping out millions and millions of others, but only yourself. I am fighting for a better future and I intend to do everything I can to help bring about this future. May God give me the strength to succeed. I hope that one day you will have a change of heart Fezzie.

	31-07-2002 05:38									#55
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Say what you will, but you are not interested in helping out millions and millions of others, but only yourself. I am fighting for a better future and I intend to do everything I can to help bring about this future. May God give me the strength to succeed. I hope that one day you will have a change of heart Fezzie.

You are not fighting for a better future. A better future can't be fought for. Especially posting on Apolyton, arguing with people who simply refuse to listen to you.

	31-07-2002 05:39									#56
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These last couple months have exposed a nasty flaw in the system. I guess if there was a Commi's anomynous group around here??????


Faded Glory: Hi my name is Steve, and I hate Enron and capitalist pigs

Fez: Welcome Steve :-)

	31-07-2002 05:40									#57
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Say what you will, but you are not interested in helping out millions and millions of others, but only yourself. I am fighting for a better future and I intend to do everything I can to help bring about this future. May God give me the strength to succeed. I hope that one day you will have a change of heart Fezzie.

No I am fighting for the people not you because I believe in a real system that works for the people and not over the people. I believe government should be minimal and only enforce the laws of the country. Interfering minimally with the economy to enforce laws is right but the government illegally confisicating wealth from the private sector is against the constitution (if you are talking about the US). You will never succeed because your whole philosophy is a failure. I will stop you at the gates where you will continuing lying to those vulnerable. I am the capitalist, and I am for the people.

	31-07-2002 05:40									#58
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Commies Anonymous

Help for people to get over their communism

	31-07-2002 05:43									#59
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People should get over communism and open their eyes. They will only kill the hopes of the entire population.

	31-07-2002 05:43									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Fez No I am fighting for the people not you because I believe in a real system that works for the people and not over the people. I believe government should be minimal and only enforce the laws of the country. Interfering minimally with the economy to enforce laws is right but the government illegally confisicating wealth from the private sector is against the constitution (if you are talking about the US). You will never succeed because your whole philosophy is a failure. I will stop you at the gates where you will continuing lying to those vulnerable. I am the capitalist, and I am for the people.

Brainwash Victims Anonymous.

Can somebody please tell me what communism is exactly? Fez, you seem to be an expert on it... (NOT sarcasm).