31-07-2002 06:18									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Fez And why not? I probably won't anyways, but why not?

A bunch of little Fezes running around seems weirds. You seem like the type of person who would have kids for the wrong reason too. That could lead to them rebelling to extreme exents.

quote: Originally posted by Fez WRONG. I said I was probably going to move towards the middle, but stay on the right.

Ahh. My mistake.

	31-07-2002 06:19									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Hardly. My family (on my mother's side) is working class farmers.

Too bad your father (you know, the supposed US diplomat who ships you all over the world and apparently buys you anything you want) seems to have spoiled you so much that you can't appretiate that past.


Judging from the way you acted in that thread about Mexican farmers fighting to keep their land, I imagine that your families past as "working class farmers" would not be something you where proud of, or appretiate.

	31-07-2002 06:20									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I will repeat once more, I will not move towards the left. And that is 100% guaranteed! Don't try to discuss it with me because that is final.

No it isn't. Situations I had little control over have led to my political beliefs being all over the scale.

	31-07-2002 06:21									#94
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quote: Too bad your father (you know, the supposed US diplomat who ships you all over the world and apparently buys you anything you want) seems to have spoiled you so much that you can't appretiate that past.

I do appreciate the past, infact I have visited my mother's house which had no electricity and dirt floors. It is abandoned but that is the way it was.

quote: Judging from the way you acted in that thread about Mexican farmers fighting to keep their land, I imagine that your families past as "working class farmers" would not be something you where proud of, or appretiate.

I had reason behind that debate, not short-sighted stupidity.

	31-07-2002 06:22									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse No it isn't. Situations I had little control over have led to my political beliefs being all over the scale.

I am staying on the center right for the last damn time.

	31-07-2002 06:24									#96
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Until you turn left?

	31-07-2002 06:24									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I am not the one with the arbitrary illogical system... so that comment was directed at you...

Yeah you are... any logical system is arbitrary. Your logic is arbitrary in that you assume what everyone else agrees upon is true, monkspider's logic is arbitrary because he makes arbitrary logical leaps. You start being ignorant, and when information shows you you can't use conventional logic anymore, you progress to being illogical, in which case, if you manage to not become a blind fanatical communist/Christian/whatever, you soon realize that you are completely insane, so you decide to just shut up for a while and not agitate while you sort things out.
However, the illogical part is nice because it makes you feel like you understand all the prophets (which you pretty much seem to do). Egoes grow way too big when you think you think like Jesus, Confucius, Buddha, and the rest of the prophets combined .

The last part feels like a debilitated depressed Buddha. It's the part where you accept things, you realize that you were hypocritical in the previous stage, you really FEEL that change should start in the person, and you begin to change. Human nature becomes a myth.
Everything feels different. You lose the nationalism, you believe what you said stronger than ever before, and you have no desire to say it anymore. You have gained the best, most faithful convert - yourself, a very difficult victory indeed.

It starts with a thought, and ends in disaster (victory? disaster? paradoxes abound, all can be understood).

	31-07-2002 06:26									#98
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This is unbelieveable. Unbelieveable. SHUT UP KRAYZEENBK, I AM TIRED OF YOUR RANTINGS.

Unbelieveable... just unbelieveable....

	31-07-2002 06:27									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Until you turn left?

Yes. And pigs fly.

	31-07-2002 06:27									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I do appreciate the past, infact I have visited my mother's house which had no electricity and dirt floors. It is abandoned but that is the way it was.

Oooo...visiting a place is just like the actual experience. Just try a life where you have to buy many things yourself with a job you had no help in getting. That is my actual experience. People who get as much help from one or more parents as you sicken me.

	31-07-2002 06:28									#101
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Nah, you'll move towards the Left. One of the points that I was trying to make is that the impressions and needs of other people in your life will tend to moderate you over time. The title of this thread says "protestations against capitalism" but that is merely because the Left is far, far more vocal on this board than the Right and so, thus, I aimed it at the larger audience.

But do not think that the principle doesn't apply both ways...

Kropotkin: yup. You're right. There are a lot of assumptions, but you know something? I'm pretty OK with making them. Marriage happens to more people than it doesn't. Same with kids, same with the upward mobility desire. Of course the post doesn't apply to 100% of people, but honestly: does one really have to put disclaimers on every point? Is it not obvious that, for example, the bit about kids will (likely) not apply to gay couples?

To reiterate: Youthful radicalism decreases: the beliefs might not, but the passion does. Anyway, you'll get bored. Bored of making the same arguments, bored of being angry all the time, bored of hearing the same rebuttals, bored at the lack of progress. Once the boredom reaches a certain level, you'll find something else... hopefully a nice spouse and kids.

	31-07-2002 06:29									#102
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Pigs fly in your country? Now is that Spain or Argentina now?

	31-07-2002 06:29									#103
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I won't move towards the left because I will never think like that.

	31-07-2002 06:30									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Oooo...visiting a place is just like the actual experience. Just try a life where you have to buy many things yourself with a job you had no help in getting. That is my actual experience. People who get as much help from one or more parents as you sicken me.

**** YOU. I LIVE WITH THEM, I WILL HAVE TO MOVE AWAY FROM THEM AND SUPPORT MYSELF. A ******* LIKE YOU WILL NOT ACCEPT THE FACT THAT IS THE WAY IT IS FOR ME. I HAVE TO MOVE ON AND PROBABLY GET A JOB TO COVER MY COLLEGE EDUCATION.

	31-07-2002 06:31									#105
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Um.. didn't you say you were going to be center-right. If you don't move towards the left that would require moving so far to the right that you end up on the left and continue moving to the right until you come to the center.

	31-07-2002 06:31									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I won't move towards the left because I will never think like that.

You can't keep your life the way it is. What if you finally get a date with a gay guy or bisexual you've been hitting on. That would move you over politically at least somewhat.

	31-07-2002 06:33									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Fez **** YOU. I LIVE WITH THEM, I WILL HAVE TO MOVE AWAY FROM THEM AND SUPPORT MYSELF. A ******* LIKE YOU WILL NOT ACCEPT THE FACT THAT IS THE WAY IT IS FOR ME. I HAVE TO MOVE ON AND PROBABLY GET A JOB TO COVER MY COLLEGE EDUCATION.

Cover how much? I'm going to go into the military to pay for most of it and then have side jobs pay for the rest.

	31-07-2002 06:33									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse You can't keep your life the way it is. What if you finally get a date with a gay guy or bisexual you've been hitting on. That would move you over politically at least somewhat.

And what if I don't? And I probably won't with the way my luck has been going. And I told you I am still quite confused and only have been hitting on people here because I was joking around.

I don't believe this... this is unbelieveable... you people are something else... trying to brainwash me! Let me make my own choices for goodness sakes!

	31-07-2002 06:35									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Cover how much? I'm going to go into the military to pay for most of it and then have side jobs pay for the rest.

My mom is covering my sister but once my parents move to Italy my mom won't have that job to pay for me. So I will have to get a computer repair job in the university and then probably hope for a scholarship.

	31-07-2002 06:35									#110
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This thread should be closed and/or deleted

	31-07-2002 06:37									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I don't believe this... this is unbelieveable... you people are something else... trying to brainwash me! Let me make my own choices for goodness sakes!

Why do you believe you ever make choices? You said you'll never change.

	31-07-2002 06:37									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Krayzeenbk This thread should be closed and/or deleted

Yes. I agree. I am being asked too many questions, lost my cool and am going on to the brink of yelling at a couple of people.

	31-07-2002 06:38									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Why do you believe you ever make choices? You said you'll never change.

Enough with the personal questions.

	31-07-2002 06:40									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Fez My mom is covering my sister but once my parents move to Italy my mom won't have that job to pay for me. So I will have to get a computer repair job in the university and then probably hope for a scholarship.

What about your dad?

quote: Originally posted by Fez Yes. I agree. I am being asked too many questions, lost my cool and am going on to the brink of yelling at a couple of people.

You have already yelled. You don't even know what you have done. This supports the conclusion you have no choices, which supports your theory there is no way you'll change.

	31-07-2002 06:48									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse What about your dad?

He wants us to adapt and make our own living. He probably will pay for part of the fees but wants us to cover the rest. So I will get a job in the university because of my computer repair skills and pay the rest.

quote: You have already yelled. You don't even know what you have done. This supports the conclusion you have no choices, which supports your theory there is no way you'll change.

This is unbelieveable... just unbelieveable... you never know when to quit?

	31-07-2002 06:52									#116
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My behavior was inexcuseable so I am bowing out of this thread.

	31-07-2002 06:52									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Fez He wants us to adapt and make our own living. He probably will pay for part of the fees but wants us to cover the rest. So I will get a job in the university because of my computer repair skills and pay the rest.

Yes, he'll pay the rest. There is really no fear that you won't be able to go to college because if your job doesn't work out, you're daddy will help you out.

quote: Originally posted by Fez This is unbelieveable... just unbelieveable... you never know when to quit?

I quit when the job is done. Persistance is a personality flaw people who have to do hard work aquire.

	31-07-2002 06:54									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Yes, he'll pay the rest. There is really no fear that you won't be able to go to college because if your job doesn't work out, you're daddy will help you out.

No.

quote: I quit when the job is done. Persistance is a personality flaw people who have to do hard work aquire.

And you have failed to convince me of anything.

As I said my behavior was inexcuseable so I am out of this thread. I am going to play some Red Alert 1, and kick some soviet butt. Later.

	31-07-2002 06:54									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Fez My behavior was inexcuseable so I am bowing out of this thread.

Bah, that is no excuse. I've seen people with much worse behavior. Peter Karpas from Activision comes to mind.

	31-07-2002 06:57									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Fez And you have failed to convince me of anything. As I said my behavior was inexcuseable so I am out of this thread. I am going to play some Red Alert 1, and kick some soviet butt. Later.

Thus I am persisting. You are just taking the easy way out. That is something your pampered life has caused you to do.