31-07-2002 05:43									#61
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Nice post JohnT.

I'm a capitalist in some things and a socialist in others (though not in what most people here are).

There are many other things that can change your personality besides marriage and kids. Many people just wake up one day and have revelations.

	31-07-2002 05:45									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Krayzeenbk Brainwash Victims Anonymous. Can somebody please tell me what communism is exactly? Fez, you seem to be an expert on it... (NOT sarcasm).

Well the government gives wealth equally to everybody. But those who make a bit more than those who can't are punished brutally in the most savage manner. I am against that system. I am for you keep what you earn (legiminately) and the laws remain enforced. You should not have your wealth so brutally removed to feed the laziness of communists. They should work and make a living, and then maybe progress will be made.

	31-07-2002 05:46									#63
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Very true Apoc, I actually used to be a typical conservative republican, though over time I took a closer look at the teachings of Christ and Marx and have since become a devout socialist.

	31-07-2002 05:47									#64
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Is this what everyone agrees it is?

	31-07-2002 05:48									#65
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I no longer have the energy to argue about what system is better... because I already know.

	31-07-2002 05:48									#66
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monkspider is funny. He truely believes he won't change. I mean look at some older commies (what older commies ). They still believe in the ideals, but also realize they have to live paycheck to paycheck, and can't fly around to protests and whatnot.

	31-07-2002 05:48									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Fez You should not have your wealth so brutally removed to feed the laziness of communists. They should work and make a living, and then maybe progress will be made.

Strong words from from someone who was born into wealth.

	31-07-2002 05:50									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Strong words from from someone who was born into wealth.

Hardly. My family (on my mother's side) is working class farmers.

	31-07-2002 05:52									#69
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fudge it

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	31-07-2002 05:53									#70
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Faded Glory, Shut up please. Thank you.

	31-07-2002 05:54									#71
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No, but I have had enough arguing with Fezzie for the day. In short, Communism is the penetration of democracy into all forms of life. It treats people as actual human beings rather than cogs in a machine or beasts of burden. It attempts to rectify the immense differences of wealth distribution in society (where 10% control 90% of the wealth) with a more just model (where people are payed what they truly earn, rather than what some greedy capitalist arbitarily wants to pay them). It has some minor flaws to be worked out, but infinitely less than the grotesque evils of capitalism.
I urge you to read up more on communism and eventually join us (the good guys!) one of these days Kray! Just remember, Jesus was a socialist!

	31-07-2002 05:56									#72
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quote: It has some minor flaws to be worked out, but infinitely less than the grotesque evils of capitalism.

Hehehehe... 'minor' flaws

And yes, I've read tons on Communism, and I'll never consider myself one. I'm a capitalist, through and through. The best system ever to come out of history.

	31-07-2002 05:56									#73
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Communism isn't democracy.

It throws people in desperation. It ruins lives.

Communism is wrong and idiotic. It violates every law of economics. It doesn't follow a clear economic system. And is against economic producivity. It wants to imprison the people and throw them in poverty.

Communists are the bad guys.

Join my liberation movement against this fungus. The Conservative Capitalists.

	31-07-2002 05:57									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui monkspider is funny. He truely believes he won't change. I mean look at some older commies (what older commies ). They still believe in the ideals, but also realize they have to live paycheck to paycheck, and can't fly around to protests and whatnot.

Well, I have never really shared this with the board, but I plan on having a career in politics. That is why I spoke with such confidence. I probably won't be able to make it to as many protests when my back starts giving out and I have a bunch of youngins to watch over though, so there is definite truth in what you say.

	31-07-2002 05:58									#75
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Monkspider: I also plan to go into politics. Consider me your opponent. I am not going to back away from the people, I am going to embrace the system that works.

And maybe when you get older you will grow up.

	31-07-2002 06:00									#76
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Don't plan on going far in politics, unless you 'sell out' a bit. People aren't fond of voting for communists or socialists.

And even if you make it as a Congressional Aide or whatnot, you'll see the radicalism faaaadddeeee away.

JohnT isn't just speaking from personal experience, it is generally acknowledged that people are most radical in their 20s and slowly retreat from that as they grow older.

	31-07-2002 06:00									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Fez And maybe when you get older you will grow up.

The same goes for you, my friend.

	31-07-2002 06:00									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Join my liberation movement against this fungus. The Conservative Capitalists.

Let's all start movements. I'd call mine the socialist libertarians or libertarian socialists, but that sounds too much like anarchists which is not what I'm going for.

	31-07-2002 06:02									#79
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider The same goes for you, my friend.

I am not the one with the arbitrary illogical system... so that comment was directed at you...

And Imran is right, I probably will steer towards more the center-right when I get older. Can't go into the center or the left because I don't think like that.

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Well, it would make sense that I would tone down the Commie rhetoric in later years (while not nescarrilly losing my empathy for the downtrodden) simply speaking from the statistics. But my Commie beliefs are closely intertwined with my religious beleifs, so I don't think I will ever totally lose my Commie core.
As far as having to tone things down for the masses, I have faith in God that I will be able to carry his message as far as possible, despite the odds against me. So perhaps, compromising a few things will no doubt occur, but I still have faith that I can make a good foundation for future like-minded persons

	31-07-2002 06:06									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Fez And Imran is right, I probably will steer towards more the center-right when I get older. Can't go into the center or the left because I don't think like that.

Imran said you would become less radical, not more.

You do not know how you will think like too. That is one of the points of John's posts. Things change.

	31-07-2002 06:07									#82
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Apoc, I know that and I know what he said. I will become less radical, if you consider me radical at all. I am just defending the system that works for the people, capitalism.

I probably will stay on the center-right though... that I am sure of...

	31-07-2002 06:10									#83
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Yep, Apoc, things change, and as people grow older they move to the middle. Why? Because you have a wife and kids and you have to think of them first. You have to think what is best for your family, and everything else can wait.

	31-07-2002 06:10									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I probably will stay on the center-right though... that I am sure of...

How can you be sure of that? People can change drastically. I myself have through little fault of my own.

	31-07-2002 06:12									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse How can you be sure of that? People can change drastically. I myself have through little fault of my own.

You can trust me I will never turn to the left. Sorry. Quite trying to suggest that.

	31-07-2002 06:13									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yep, Apoc, things change, and as people grow older they move to the middle. Why? Because you have a wife and kids and you have to think of them first. You have to think what is best for your family, and everything else can wait.

Well you probably aren't going to have kids, same with me. Fez shouldn't have kids...

Anyway, I was just references how Fez was agreeing with you but saying he would go away from the middle.

	31-07-2002 06:15									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Well you probably aren't going to have kids, same with me. Fez shouldn't have kids...

And why not? I probably won't anyways, but why not?

quote: Anyway, I was just references how Fez was agreeing with you but saying he would go away from the middle.

WRONG. I said I was probably going to move towards the middle, but stay on the right. That is the most common case and that is what is likely to happen. And where the hell did I say I was going to move away from the middle? I am probably go towards it but not all the way and stay on the center-right.

	31-07-2002 06:15									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Fez You can trust me I will never turn to the left. Sorry. Quite trying to suggest that.

There are many things in life that you have no control over. Some people have to change to survive. You may not change, but there is no guarantee.

	31-07-2002 06:15									#89
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Well for Fez, center-right is more middle than he is now. Then again, seeing as his political affiliation is 'confused', who knows where that is.

Though I wouldn't be suprised to see him as center-left in the future.

	31-07-2002 06:17									#90
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I will repeat once more, I will not move towards the left. And that is 100% guaranteed! Don't try to discuss it with me because that is final.