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Krayzeenbk
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Hey Fez
"A lie told often enough becomes the truth"
Guess who said that...
Stop believing lies. Just because everyone around you might agree to the same lie, doesn't mean it's the truth. The problem with people like you is you just go along and agree with everybody, when in fact all THEY're doing is going along with each other and agreeing. You could be made to believe anything if everybody around you held it as common truth. You hear the same old "communism is an economic this that and it's evil and it can never work because of human nature" from EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE, and it has become the truth. It's not like there's a central authority on communism whom you can consult, so people make up assumptions of varying degrees of wrongness about it.
Not that I'm agitating for communism. But if you don't take a trip to the left for a year or so you will be left intellectually, ideologically, spiritually, and otherwise behind by those who do.
Logic: human conciousness isn't logical. Abstract concepts have different meanings in different places, cultures, and in different people's heads. So if you try to use logic to analyze how somebody else works using your conception of their abstrations, you will fail. By refusing to accept the possibility of communism (a very abstract abstraction) being something that you're not used to (and thus perhaps denying what you have said earlier), you are refusing to even try to understand many other people.
When I was a real atheist, my reaction to anything motivated by religion was "wtf? why would you do anything just because of religion"
Now I understand (I'm still atheist, I guess).
When I was a real atheist, I was also like you, but now I sympathize with communists, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Confucians, average well-meaning Americans, and just about anyone else who isn't a pagan Satanist bent on world destruction.
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Kropotkin
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of Ålidhem
Mar 1999
time: 06:21
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Originally posted by JohnT
Kropotkin: yup. You're right. There are a lot of assumptions, but you know something? I'm pretty OK with making them. [...] does one really have to put disclaimers on every point? Is it not obvious that, for example, the bit about kids will (likely) not apply to gay couples? |
As you speak party from your own experience I do as well. Not my personal experiences but from what I see and hear about people about your age I know of and even if some of the assumptions apply to most your conclution doesn't. Many of them really like to debate and get angry about things. The one that fades away as you describe it are usually those that was pretty boring from the start.
But yes, radicalism fades (both ways as some people here seems to miss. Laissez-faire might not be such a nice thing if you have kids or getting old). The most radical and "free-thinking" youngsters around here will probably be the most boring conformists in ten to twenty years time.
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To reiterate: Youthful radicalism decreases: the beliefs might not, but the passion does. Anyway, you'll get bored. Bored of making the same arguments, bored of being angry all the time, bored of hearing the same rebuttals, bored at the lack of progress. Once the boredom reaches a certain level, you'll find something else... hopefully a nice spouse and kids.  |
So what are you doing here anyway? 
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31-07-2002 07:21
That IS my experience as well. Once you´re on the property ladder, there´s no turning back.
(I really wanted to go to the Seattle demo, but given my asthma's probably reaction to the gas attack, it's fprtunate I did not.)
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