01-08-2002 10:31									#1
	If you could have stopped WWII, would you? Got spare money?

As you can see, I like hypothetical questions.

The question is simple, if you had a time machine, or if you had knowledge of the war well before hand, say 1914, and you had the power to some how avert WWII, would you have?

I personally would never mess with history. I mean, if WWII didnt happen, perhaps a worse war would have, but then again maybe not, depending on how you stopped WWII i guess. When you think about it, history has really worked out nicely since then. There was no nuclear WWIII like many feeared during the Cold War and stuff like that, so I am happy with the results, even though WWII and the wars since then have been devestating to millions.
Also, the war was a kick in the ass for the world economy, and the US economy in particular, if it wernt for that war, we may all still be in a depression today (though that is very unlikely. There were many signs before the war that we were coming out of the depression slowly, but surely, thanks to FDR's efforts, i say)

All and all, I would let history play itself out, at least from that point to this point.

Kman

	01-08-2002 10:43									#2
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Definitely not. That would have meant the survival of Fascism.

Now WWI, maybe.

	01-08-2002 10:43									#3
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Aside USA some countries lost millions people during this war.

And if had an opportunity sure I stopped it to save 27 million Soviet people who died during this war. And after that more likely I disappeared, because more probably my grandmother never married my grandfather, because in that case she could married with someone else and one of my parents wasn't born.

	01-08-2002 10:57									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Aside USA some countries lost millions people during this war. And if had an opportunity sure I stopped it to save 27 million Soviet people who died during this war. And after that more likely I disappeared, because more probably my grandmother never married my grandfather, because in that case she could married with someone else and one of my parents wasn't born.

Time travel boggels the mind, doesnt it?

	01-08-2002 10:58									#5
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I doubt I'd be here, so no way.

	01-08-2002 11:02									#6
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yeah i'd stop it if i could


but the most important thing would be to get my country out and far away from piss matches played by england france and germany

**** them all

	01-08-2002 11:05									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Severn Definitely not. That would have meant the survival of Fascism. Now WWI, maybe.

Preventing The Great War may very well have prevented World War II.

I think it all depends on how you prevent the war. If one simply killed Hitler, there still would have been depression (gah! tenses with time travel) and anger in Germany. But if you had made Europe stop Germany before they got to Poland, it would have just been a different kind of war. Too many possibilities. And I didn't even discuss the Pacific theater.

How would one prevent World War II?

And what about science? Where would science be without the Second World War?

	01-08-2002 11:08									#8
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i think nobody in their right minds would give a **** about science if thinking of the millions of dead from WW2.

unless he was from a country which didnt fight or didnt fight true

	01-08-2002 11:09									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Lorizael And what about science? Where would science be without the Second World War?

Good point. Space Travel, Computers, synthetic fibers, microwave ovens, radar... We might never have had them.

	01-08-2002 11:10									#10
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Paiktis, would you rather see Millions exterminated by fascist regimes? Get my point?

	01-08-2002 11:15									#11
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 i think nobody in their right minds would give a **** about science if thinking of the millions of dead from WW2. unless he was from a country which didnt fight or didnt fight true

See there are two things, paiktis, that I believe in very strongly.

Violence is wrong and serves no purpose.
Science (knowledge in general) is the greatest thing we possess.

So if I could guarantee that our technology would be at the same level, then I would prevent World War II in a second. As it is... I would have to see if a world without the war would be any better. Dan's point about the continued existence of Fascism makes me wonder.

But then again if I've got a time machine, why am I worrying about science?

	01-08-2002 11:15									#12
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 i think nobody in their right minds would give a **** about science if thinking of the millions of dead from WW2. unless he was from a country which didnt fight or didnt fight true

I would definately look at science. It it werent for WWII, you prabably wouldnt be sitting at a 'computer' posting on a 'website' right now

Kman

	01-08-2002 11:20									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Lorizael See there are two things, paiktis, that I believe in very strongly. Violence is wrong and serves no purpose. Science (knowledge in general) is the greatest thing we possess. So if I could guarantee that our technology would be at the same level, then I would prevent World War II in a second. As it is... I would have to see if a world without the war would be any better. Dan's point about the continued existence of Fascism makes me wonder. But then again if I've got a time machine, why am I worrying about science?

If you stopped WWII by a Marshal plan type thing after WWI, the depression in Europe (one of the causes of the depression in America, cause Europe defaulted on their loans from the war to American gov and banks) and the ensuing fascism may never have occured, WWI may indeed could have been the war to end all wars (in western Europe anyway). But there are to many factors, the future would be uncertain, as well as the tech thing. It seems their would be conflict no matter what you did. I would just let history alone.

Kman

	01-08-2002 11:26									#14
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I think that there are two very important lessons that can be drawn from "The Dirty Dozen II" and applied to this question...

1. If you are going to engage in a covert operation deep within Nazi territory, for god's sake don't bring along a black soldier. What the hell was Lee Marvin thinking?

2. Don't shoot Hitler when you have the chance. It won't stop the war or solve the underlying problems.

So I wouldn't stop WWII.

	01-08-2002 11:28									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten "The Dirty Dozen II"

A reliable source for historical accuracy.

	01-08-2002 11:32									#16
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quote: A reliable source for historical accuracy.

Granted, it's no "Kelly's Heroes".

	01-08-2002 11:36									#17
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Kelly's Heroes. Now THAT was a great movie.

	01-08-2002 11:37									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Severn A reliable source for historical accuracy.

quote: Granted, it's no "Kelly's Heroes".

Or any of those movies where John Wayne single handedly hands both Japanese and Germans their asses.

	01-08-2002 11:38									#19
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no, I would let it happen. Who knows what would have happend if we skipped WW2 and went straight to the cold war. Not to mention it would be a three way cold war; Democracies, Fascists(sp), and Communists.

	01-08-2002 11:40									#20
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quote: Or any of those movies where John Wayne single handedly hands both Japanese and Germans their asses.

Nope. Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood kick all the Nazi ass in these fine films.

	01-08-2002 11:42									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Or any of those movies where John Wayne single handedly hands both Japanese and Germans their asses. Nope. Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood kick all the Nazi ass in these fine films.

Nope. The finest historicaly accurate wwII film, Pearl Harbor

	01-08-2002 11:44									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman Nope. The finest historicaly accurate wwII film, Pearl Harbor

Don't make me hit you!

Kelly's heroes is still a great movie. Who cares about accuracy; it's a laugh riot!

	01-08-2002 11:46									#23
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Damn, you got me there. Stealing Nazi gold and jewels is a hell of a lot more plausible than fighter pilots at Pearl learning to fly bombers in time for Doolittle's Raid...

	01-08-2002 11:48									#24
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I loved how some of the shots of the "Japanese fleet" was actually american nuclear carriers...

	01-08-2002 12:06									#26
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Maybe we need to call Lee Marvin up and have him train twelve of the army's worst criminals to kill Michael Bay...

	01-08-2002 13:18									#27
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i think nobody in their right minds would give a **** about science if thinking of the millions of dead from WW2.

unless he was from a country which didnt fight or didnt fight true

Paiktis

quote: Originally posted by Kramerman I would definately look at science. It it werent for WWII, you prabably wouldnt be sitting at a 'computer' posting on a 'website' right now Kman

You are absolutely right Paiktis, the guys who were born in country which didn't know the horors of WW2 are unable to understand what type of war it was. Do they know about misery this war brings to our countries? No. What do they know about misery and pain? Nothing. This war for them is nothing more then time when "John Wayne single handedly hands both Japanese and Germans their asses".
When single American is dead it's a national tragedy for them. When millions of foreigners died, it's just a cool show for them.

	01-08-2002 13:28									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Lorizael And what about science? Where would science be without the Second World War?

I preffer to live with technologies of 30s today, but save the millions of people.

This war cost 50 millions human's lives. Never ask yourself how many Einsteins or Korolevs died on this war? Perhaps if not this war, we already colonized Mars today.

	01-08-2002 13:37									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Serb i think nobody in their right minds would give a **** about science if thinking of the millions of dead from WW2. unless he was from a country which didnt fight or didnt fight true Paiktis You are absolutely right Paiktis, the guys who were born in country which didn't know the horors of WW2 are unable to understand what type of war it was. Do they know about misery this war brings to our countries? No. What do they know about misery and pain? Nothing. This war for them is nothing more then time when "John Wayne single handedly hands both Japanese and Germans their asses". When single American is dead it's a national tragedy for them. When millions of foreigners died, it's just a cool show for them.

OH MY GOD
I've never had anything Ive said blown so far out of proportion, or used so far from its context. Every American knows the horrors of war, especially of WWII.

You are completely missing the point. If you would of stopped WWII, were so many people died, it is possible there could of been an even more destructive war, or a series of very destructive wars.

I dare you to go back and stop WWII, when you come back (if you are not annhylated by time paradox), you may come back to a nuclear wasteland, or place where the zipper on your pants is a thousand years ahead of the remnants of humanity. You would probably have to check your gauges twice to make sure you werent in 3000 BC.

Kman

Maybe you dont understand English sarcasm, but we were making fun of the rediculousness of those films, like John Wayne. Watch Saving Private Ryan, or Black Hawk Down if you want to see Americans get their guts shot out, fighting for their ideals of freedom and democracy.
You are starting to make me sick.

Kman

	01-08-2002 13:43									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Serb I preffer to live with technologies of 30s today, but save the millions of people. This war cost 50 millions human's lives. Never ask yourself how many Einsteins or Korolevs died on this war? Perhaps if not this war, we already colonized Mars today.

This is very wrong. Again if WWII didnt happen, a worse war could have.
Also, without the pressing need of war, none of those brains would ever have found their talents. It was the need to find a technilogical edge over the enemy that thrusted technology forward. Besides, the world was in a depression, the only other time other than war time that technology prospers is when the economy is booming, it is then businesses can persue technology for marketing purposes. But this would only be the case in a capitolism, of course.

Kman