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ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey's parliament voted on Friday in favor of lifting the death penalty in peacetime, a key step toward its ambition of joining the EU and a sign it could go on to ratify a range of sweeping human rights reforms.

Parliament voted by 256 to 162 to lift the death penalty, a watershed for a country that only three years ago was considering hanging Kurdish guerrilla leader Abdullah Ocalan, blaming him for more than 30,000 deaths.

The death penalty vote was the first of a series of reforms under debate in the assembly on Friday. Each item will be voted on individually before a final vote on whether to ratify the whole package.

Friday's session looked set to continue late into the night as it discusses and votes on each of 13 reforms which would also ease curbs on Kurdish language education and broadcasting and increase freedom of expression and association.

The package is being rushed through parliament by pro-EU forces who want to complete the reforms before campaigning starts for a general election on November 3 that was officially called on Wednesday.

Ankara wants the European Union ( news - web sites) to set a date by the end of the year for Turkey to start membership talks. The EU wants to see reforms passed and implemented before it sets a date.

Markets are hoping progress toward the EU will help attract foreign investment to haul Turkey's economy out of recession and bolster a $16 billion IMF ( news - web sites) loan program. Stocks and the lira rose on Friday amid hopes the reforms would pass.

The speed with which the package has progressed so far has surprised many who thought the often controversial reforms might be bogged down in the assembly. There are still fears, however, that politicians, their eyes on the polls, may want to avoid tackling issues that could alienate nationalist voters.

"Historic days in parliament," was the headline in Radikal newspaper on Friday. "Hopes rise for Europe," was Milliyet's.

"It's clear that the parties' positions on the EU issue are a key element of the election campaign," said Deutsche Bank economist Marco Annunziata, optimistic the laws would pass.

"They have much more to gain by going to elections being able to say we have pushed through the EU reforms," he said.

MHP OPPOSES SOME MEASURES

The package is supported by all but one of the parties in parliament. Only the Nationalist Action Party (MHP), the largest party with 126 of the 550 seats, opposes some of the measures.

MHP deputy Ismail Kose said on Thursday the Kurdish language reforms met the demands of Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) rebels. More than 30,000 people, mostly Kurds, have been killed in fighting between security forces and the PKK, led by Ocalan.

"What the traitor who shed the blood of 30,000 people proposed is now before parliament," Kose said.

Ocalan was captured and sentenced to death for treason in 1999 amid massive popular calls for him to hang. He is currently the only inmate of a special island prison, awaiting an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights. The reform package would abolish the death penalty except in times of war or near-war and could, if passed, mean Ocalan would never hang.

Even if the reform package is passed in full, the EU is unlikely to fix a date for the start of membership talks when it meets in Copenhagen in December to decide on admitting up to 10 mainly east European countries to the bloc in 2004 or 2005.

But the package, combined with the lifting of emergency rule in two southeastern provinces this month, would amount to a serious demonstration of Turkey's commitment to make the changes needed to qualify for EU membership, one Western diplomat said.

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yesterday it also officially stopped characterising Greece as its major threat and instead it designated Iraq as its major threat.

what the american war on terrorism would do to a poor country who wants to please and nothing changes of course.

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get back on the topic!

(btw, it would be interesting to know how many times turkish f-16 entered the greek airspace on the day turkey official stopped considering greece as the #1 threat. and yes, in turkey they keep a publicized ordered list of their enemies)

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i'm threadjacker extraordinaire

(and exactly it means nothing, just a change in paper to show to the americans)


back on topic!


sure its good if turkey abolishes its death penalty
maybe tortures are next?

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Greece should become a nuclear power to deter Turkish F16s.

Oh, and I guess the dp thing is to get the EU membership sooner. However, can´t be bad.

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If every country jumped off a cliff, would you?

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No

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(uh, I hope they do not ban me for that)

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i remember using these kind of arguments when i was 10. nope 9.

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BTW, now that I´ve read the article ----> "Kurdish guerrilla leader Abdullah Ocalan, blaming him for more than 30,000 deaths."

Are these numbers of victims somehow serious, its seems way to high for me? The Kurds are no regular army, only guerilla forces can cause such heavy casualties? Or is that Turkish propaganda...

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It's what Kose said, what does Kose know?

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More than 30,000 people, mostly Kurds, have been killed in fighting between security forces and the PKK, led by Ocalan.

"What the traitor who shed the blood of 30,000 people proposed is now before parliament," Kose said.

so Ocalan is blamed for the deaths of the Kurds that the Turkish army killed during the "internal conflict"(a.k.a. "civil war")

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Ooops, thx, I didn´t read to the end

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Are you saying that the US needs to be more Turkish, Marky?

BTW, it seems the only reason Turkey did that was so it can join the EU. Ulterior motives, nothing more.

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ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey's parliament voted on Friday in favor of lifting the death penalty in peacetime, a key step toward its ambition of joining the EU and a sign it could go on to ratify a range of sweeping human rights reforms.



Oh great, now Turkey is going to be at war just so they can execute people!

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well now the US has to compare itself with Saudi Arabia and iraq in the death penalty issue.

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asher,

at least when it comes to the death penalty

actually, when you come to think of it, turkey has been using it's forces significantly less than the US the last years. and thanks to Bush's new plans on the "homeland defence" soon Turkey will be more democratic than the US

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I'm so pleased you have such an obvious inferiority complex that you feel the need to continually troll the Americans on your own board, Marky.

An inspiration for us all.

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Personally, I don't think democracies can function this day in age. You can't be peaceful and survive.

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he is a baby at trolling americans. there are masters at that here.

(by self not included)

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I'm so pleased you have such an obvious inferiority complex that you feel the need to continually troll the Americans on your own board, Marky.

An inspiration for us all.

To the music of: It's My Party

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asher, i cant recall the last time someone got banned for doing something in a thread of mine in the OT. if you do please say so. otherwise, your comments on the ownership of this forum and the contents of my threads are baseless

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Or they're blaming the Kurds for getting themselves kill by the Turks, the bastards!

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asher, i cant recall the last time someone got banned for doing something in a thread of mine in the OT. if you do please say so. otherwise, your comments on the ownership of this forum and the contents of my threads are baseless

I haven't said anything about you banning people.

Your comments are baseless!

It's just that you're a sort of one trick pony. And you really do seem to think Americans care what they do in Turkey, or even other backwards countries like Greece or even England.

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btw, last time i checked not all americans agree with the death penalty

btw(again), the fact that i'm characterized as "baby at trolling" means that i'm really not trolling. i'm just sharing content that i hope will create some good discussion.

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I haven't said anything about you banning people.

Your comments are baseless!
well, why else would it matter that i own this forum?

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I haven't said anything about you banning people.

Your comments are baseless!
well, why else would it matter that i own this forum?

You don't think a lot of people are intimidated about getting into a debate with you?

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Or they're blaming the Kurds for getting themselves kill by the Turks, the bastards!
it's really their fault. if they didnt have those crazy ideas about wanting their own country they would be alive today....

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That's true, his owning the forum is really pointless.

So is the thread, but that's another matter entirely.

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It's just that you're a sort of one trick pony. And you really do seem to think Americans care what they do in Turkey, or even other backwards countries like Greece or even England.
As a Canadian, how do you know this? You were supposed to keep it secret.

Don't tell people that Americans don't give a crap what Turkey does with the death penalty.

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You don't think a lot of people are intimidated about getting into a debate with you?
on this forum, the same forum i've been called all sorts of names on all sorts of occassions?
so if other people are intimidated, what does that make you? some kind of local hero or something?

 
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