20-11-2002 21:29									#361
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Okaaaaaaay... now what relevance does that have to what we were discussing? For that matter, what were we discussing?

FM vs. Planned for mature factions



and wealth with planned vs. knowledge with planned for right now- and to that debate it has little relevance at all. These things pretty much come up as a result of off-handed asides.

	21-11-2002 14:42									#362
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There is no Discussion FM vs Planned!
FM is not even Point of Debate! *aarggh*
I refuse to discuss FM

	21-11-2002 14:45									#363
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That's right, it's so obvious that it's the best choice we don't even need to debate it

	21-11-2002 14:47									#364
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I agree the best choice i so obvious there is no need to discuss this.

	21-11-2002 20:37									#365
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quote: Originally posted by Main_Brain There is no Discussion FM vs Planned! FM is not even Point of Debate! *aarggh* I refuse to discuss FM

	21-11-2002 20:42									#366
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus That's right, it's so obvious that it's the best choice we don't even need to debate it

	23-11-2002 02:05									#367
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[OOC]: OK, I know I'm a moron but could someone explain me whether your argument FM vs. Planned is RP or in-game? In other words, is this debate liberals vs. socialists or players preferring either FM or Planned in SMAC? I'm very confused about it... [/OOC]

	23-11-2002 02:15									#368
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Both at once I guess...

Disclaimer: I stopped reading them a LOOOOONG time ago.

	23-11-2002 03:10									#369
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quote: Originally posted by Kirov [OOC]: OK, I know I'm a moron but could someone explain me whether your argument FM vs. Planned is RP or in-game? In other words, is this debate liberals vs. socialists or players preferring either FM or Planned in SMAC? I'm very confused about it... [/OOC]

Maniac's basically right- it is both. There are actually many liberal individualist types who are against a premature move to FM, but the CCCP here is Marxist in origin and opposes FM on principle; that's where the RP comes in. We've had some heated arguements on the topic as well as some decent discussions.

Some of the CCCP lean in a more anarchistic direction, some in a more structuralist direction. In AC terms, it boils down quite readily to an anti-FM stance.

	23-11-2002 04:56									#370
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While its just a role, its incredible to see how stron is the marxist theory

	23-11-2002 10:13									#371
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Pande, I was sure you're heartful marxist.

	05-12-2002 01:48									#372
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As I'm sure is obvious just about everyone, Pandemoniak has resurfaced. In fact it is questionable as to whether he left at all. As he has continued to act in the capacity of party foreman, most recently in the STEP forum, I'm turning the position back over to him.

god-damn anarchist wing...

	05-12-2002 02:26									#373
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When is the CCCP going to abolish in order to help preserve the prosperity of the Peacekeeping faction?

	05-12-2002 02:39									#374
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When it would help the prosperity of Peacekeepers as individuals I would guess

	05-12-2002 02:47									#375
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 When is the CCCP going to abolish in order to help preserve the prosperity of the Peacekeeping faction?

Listen to John Stuart Mill here. geez!

	05-12-2002 10:33									#376
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue When it would help the prosperity of Peacekeepers as individuals I would guess

A single ideology must never completly dominate a nation, for a single ideology is a single mind, and single-mindedness is equal to ignorance in the face of infinite knowledge.

-Tassadar
"Speech to the Communialists"

	05-12-2002 14:27									#377
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The Ecodamage of the Peacekeeping Faction tells us that we need the Party of teh Common Man.

	05-12-2002 15:59									#378
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 A single ideology must never completly dominate a nation, for a single ideology is a single mind, and single-mindedness is equal to ignorance in the face of infinite knowledge. -Tassadar "Speech to the Communialists"

Exactly! Which is why we have STEP and Archaic's Democratic Libertarian party. All 3 ideals are covered and if we remove the CCCP, the common worker may well get forgotten.

	05-12-2002 17:23									#379
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 When is the CCCP going to abolish in order to help preserve the prosperity of the Peacekeeping faction?

Never. The workers of our faction ARE its prosperity.
Pandemoniak,
in "For I have walked with the Drones"
Chapter : "From Deirdre's Gardens of Gaia, we spoke to the Planet"

	06-12-2002 21:40									#380
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I just want to encouarage y'all to vote in the "Free Market Economics" poll.

jiiiiihaaawww!!!

	07-12-2002 00:25									#381
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Vote Never!!! We need growth and pop-boom more than money!

	07-12-2002 20:29									#382
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Long live the STEPist gaianism and the industrious CCCPians !!

	08-12-2002 01:39									#383
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Although I know it doesn´t really matter: Let me say one´s more that Free Market leeds to selling green hills and blue mountains as toxic waste dumps.
(At least in SMAC)
So why are you even discussing it???
Planned Market is - if planned good - always better than money-faced FM!

PS: How can I join the CCCP? Did I already do so with posting that reply?

	08-12-2002 03:21									#384
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quote: Although I know it doesn´t really matter: Let me say one´s more that Free Market leeds to selling green hills and blue mountains as toxic waste dumps. (At least in SMAC)

Not in SMAC. SMAC presents a rather idealized version of a completely unregulated market's effects on the environment.

	09-12-2002 20:48									#385
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Welcome to the CCCP comrade Micha!

	09-12-2002 21:23									#386
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quote: How can I join the CCCP? Did I already do so with posting that reply?

You can join the CCCP by simply asking to. Welcome in the CCCP, Comrade Micha !

	10-12-2002 03:01									#387
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quote: Originally posted by Kirov [OOC]: OK, I know I'm a moron but could someone explain me whether your argument FM vs. Planned is RP or in-game? In other words, is this debate liberals vs. socialists or players preferring either FM or Planned in SMAC? I'm very confused about it... [/OOC]

i also stopped reading a looong time ago, which is probably why i never noticed this before....

my support of free market is purely based on the game, so you know.

	10-12-2002 04:32									#388
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The recent surge in far right thought in our political atmosphere has me quite concerned, with the creation of the Democratic Libertarian Party the hopes the left shares for Planet are now threatened. I am not a communist by any means, but myself and many other leftists share common ideals with the CCCP. I am here before you today to ask if it is worth bring back the Chiron Democratic Coalition to offset the DLP? We need to stand united against this common enemy or we will fail.

Voltaire
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	10-12-2002 05:22									#389
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Voltaire- party politics are not what they once were. I'm not against your notion, but STEP and the CCCP are currently a "de facto" CDC. Anyone can express solidarity with our views with or without joining either or both parties. Whether or not we really need another acronym is up to everybody, but my vote is as non-hostile of a "nay" as humanly possible.

	10-12-2002 05:37									#390
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quote: Originally posted by lucky22 Voltaire- party politics are not what they once were. I'm not against your notion, but STEP and the CCCP are currently a "de facto" CDC. Anyone can express solidarity with our views with or without joining either or both parties. Whether or not we really need another acronym is up to everybody, but my vote is as non-hostile of a "nay" as humanly possible.

I do see your point, I’ve been our of the loop and the devolution of political parties since the start to me still remains much of a mystery given that I was away during that period. My concern simply lies in the right getting to powerful and pushing through a free market system. Your opinions are appreciated, and I do see your point about STEP’s and the CCCP, but I think the old left wind parties have been inactive for a long time now and there needs to be a return of them to counter the right influence.