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Originally posted by CyberShy
how can I discuss it if I have no opinion?
I'm listenling. |
What a tragedy. Listening to things and posting things you have no opinion on. Shamefull on a discusion forum.
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I haven't post any claim. I just posted facts about the pyramids that I found on the net. Pherhaps these facts are wrong (position) but I have no claim or something. That's what I'm trying to tell you all the time, but you seem to have both hands on your ears. |
They are claims. Few of them have been facts. It they are wrong they aren't facts just more bogus claims. If it seems to you that I have my hands over my ears you weren't telling the truth when you said you have no opinion.
Your opinion seems to be the unsubstantianted claims, false claims, theories based on the fantasy land Atlantis, and game playing with INCHES of all things has some sort of legitmacy.
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Why can't we just talk about it? You don't have to disagree to talk? This topic has been transfered into one big debate and all that. I hate that. |
I noticed that you don't want to dabate. That is what I said and you are complaining in the bulk of this reply yet here you are agreeing with me on that very thing.
Do please make your mind.
Discuss or not just don't claim you want to and you don't want to in the same post please.
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You are really insulting me, like I have made claims like that. I did not claim anything about the creation of the
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You have come close. That was parody of many of the sites you have been getting stuff from. If you find it insulting well then perhaps you should try thinking about the sites you get nonsense from. They are the ones insulting peoples inteligence. I am merely pointing it out.
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Why are you making such a hunt on me and my claims? |
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I haven't post any claim. |
Thats two, two, two contradictions of yourself in one post.
I don't have to hunt when you do it all in one post like this one.
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Open your eyes ethelred!
Can you finally open your eyes?
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They are open. Thats why I can tell when nonsense is before them.
Do you want to discuss or don't you? Please choose one of those instead getting mad at people for trying to discuss it when you say you want to discuss it.
Edit removed a superfluos quote that wasn't even marked as a quote.
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Maybe he didn't care about the pyramids and was looking for other opinions? If he did care about this, then he wouldn't take it to you to get a second look at it. If you really want to know about Atlantis, then think of how the Nazca plains were made. Those indians living there couldn't have done them, and you would need to know how to fly to even see them.
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Ethelred
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If you really want to know about Atlantis, then think of how the Nazca plains were made. Those indians living there couldn't have done them, and you would need to know how to fly to even see them. |
Amazing juxtiposition of unrelated things. Atlantis was story told by Plato. He didn't even finish it. There is no other source of information about Atlantis than Plato. He claimed the story came from Egypt. Its not mentioned there or anywhere else. If you want to know about Atlantis look at who popularized it. The Sleeping Fraud, Edgar Cayce.
There is no reason to make a such an unwarranted claim about the Amerinds in the Nazca plain. They most certainly could have done them, all it takes is some sighting sticks and string. The only question is why did they? Religion is likely because that is the source of many stupid human tricks. However I like to keep in mind the alleged shrines in one ancient city in India that turned out to be the worlds first indoor plumbing, specificaly a toilet.
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They did one geoglyph on the side of a hill by digging trenches comparable to WWI. When the religion of the South American tribes was checked out, it wasn't very likely that they did the plains themselves. Geoglyphs exist throughout the world, and a famous one of a "giant" is in England.
Among that and the stonehenge, there is probably some ancient civilization that we haven't discovered yet. "Atlantis" is just some generic name for that superior civilization. The fact that a pyramid here in America (forget which one) has the same base size as the great pyramid in Eygpt is enough to convince me. I doubt if it was a coincidence.
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Originally posted by King of Rasslin
Among that and the stonehenge, there is probably some ancient civilization that we haven't discovered yet. "Atlantis" is just some generic name for that superior civilization. The fact that a pyramid here in America (forget which one) has the same base size as the great pyramid in Eygpt is enough to convince me. I doubt if it was a coincidence. |
American pyramids were built almost 3000 years after the Great Pyramid of Giza. If American and Egyptian pyramids had a common ancestry, you would expect them to appear overnight and around the same time, right? But the truth is that Egyptians spent at least 500 years learning how to build it. The Egyptian landscape are littered with failed pyramids. Also the Native Americans didn't have it easy, failed or half pyramids are over the place in Central American jungles.
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Lord Merciless:
"The Egyptian landscape are littered with failed pyramids. "
Very true. We have a complete set of tombs, from the basic burial chambers, up through chambers under a mastaba, to the pyramid at Saqquara whose construction shows it to have been built up from (originally) a few mastabas built on top of one another, and then stepped...on to the bent pyramid, where they messed up the construction by trying to build it too steep, and finally the great pyramids.
King of Rasslin:
"...a famous one of a "giant" is in England."
How does Cern Abbas fit into this?
"Among that and the stonehenge, there is probably some ancient civilization that we haven't discovered yet. "
In fact how does stonehenge fit in? We know how it was built...
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In addition to the American and Egyptian pyramids being built thousands of years apart, they are also of a different construction...the American "pyramids" are essentially platforms, and are built up from smaller (earlier) platforms insdie the current ones...at least the Mayan ones are.
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by King of Rasslin
They did one geoglyph on the side of a hill by digging trenches comparable to WWI. When the religion of the South American tribes was checked out, it wasn't very likely that they did the plains themselves. Geoglyphs exist throughout the world, and a famous one of a "giant" is in England.
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Want to give a link to the trench you claim is at Nazca?
Not exactly a big deal though. There is nothing stoping them from digging trenches. They dug irrigations cannals.
I like that religion remark. Its such utter rubbish. No one knows diddly about the religion of the people of Nazca. They are long gone and were illiterate. We don't even know much about the Incas and they fought the Spanish. We only know a bit about the Mayans even though they were literate. Aztecs we have a lot more knowledge of but they didn't even exist at the time the Nazca lines apear to have been made.
Some guesses have been made about the Nazca religion. The guess is that they had a bunch of mountain gods but its pretty much a WAG and not something based on evidence.
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Rasslin, do you have any idea just how many MesoAmerican pyramids there are!?! Every single city had at least one, even some small villages. That's hundreds, potentially thousands of pyramids scatterd trhoughout Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, and Honduras. You think at least one of them isn't going to have the same base dimensions as the great pyramid of Cheops? Hell, I'm sure if you looked around, you'll find a building or two in American with the same base dimensions. Does that mean that Americans are getting help from aliens? 
You know what I've never seen mentioned about the Nazca plains markings? The fact that there are mountains and hills within viewing distance. Even the stupid videos that alien lovers proclaim, "look, there's no way these people could have looked at these" shows hills in the background.
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Tau Ceti
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A pity with all the advanced powers they must have had to do all this supposed beliefs, they couldn't make their message a little clearer.
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King of Rasslin
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I don't know about there being thousands of pyramids in Central America. Most of them would be very small, and very few could be compared with the Eygptian ones. But it's still interesting that they did use the same base size of the Eygptians in one of their pyramids. It wasn't as tall, and it was a step pyramid. But since most of these pyramids were very small, I do think it's unusual that the pyramids have the same base.
We know about their religion from their relics and artifacts. We know plenty about the African gods, but they didn't know how to write. The multi-headed feathered snake is very popular there, and in some Eastern countries too. Eygpt also had a few snake hieroglyphics that resemble the ones in America. There are also theories about the pyramids in Tenochitlan being aligned with stars, like the Eygptian ones.
And the Aztec calendar was more accurate than the one we use today. These civilizations WERE capable of things that we cannot do.
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Ethelred
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I don't know about there being thousands of pyramids in Central America. Most of them would be very small, and very few could be compared with the Eygptian ones. But it's still interesting that they did use the same base size of the Eygptians in one of their pyramids. |
It would only be interesting if there was enough of the same size as to not look like a coincidence. Of course without something that says which pyramids are involved I can't even assume that you are right on this. There are a lot of pyramids in both areas. There are NO step pyramids in the New World like the one Egypt. There are pyramids that do indeed have steps. They were stairs. There are some pyramids that have multiple levels but again they are not like the Step Pyramid in Egypt. Most are fairly large not small. Several are more massive than any in Egypt.
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We know about their religion from their relics and artifacts. We know plenty about the African gods, but they didn't know how to write. The multi-headed feathered snake is very popular there, and in some Eastern countries too. Eygpt also had a few snake hieroglyphics that resemble the ones in America. There are also theories about the pyramids in Tenochitlan being aligned with stars, like the Eygptian ones. |
Set and Quetzalcoatal are very different. That both areas should have a snake god is hardly surprising since both had snakes and multiple gods many based on animals. Aligning pyramids with stars is also hardly surprising since in both instances its easy to align one side by using the North Star. Different North Stars due to the massive time intervening but still a North Star. Since both cultures were dependent on seasonal rains and irrigation there is another reason for them to align major religious buildings with the stars.
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And the Aztec calendar was more accurate than the one we use today. These civilizations WERE capable of things that we cannot do. |
Rubbish. Our calendar is extremely accurate. Even without the astronomers and time keepers adding in a leep second now and then. Perhaps you are thinking of the original outmoded Gregorian calendar. Anything they could do we can, should we want to do it. Not knowing the specifics of how they did things is not the same thing as not being able to do them at all.
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of my princess Anastasia!
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Just out of curiosity, just when were the American pyramids built? Considering the rather late periods of these empires, is it fair to say that these pyramids were built rather recently as well? Sorry, but i never studied any of this, so i don't know, but i'm thinking A.D. If so, considering the hypotheses going around about having had met foreign cultures before Columbus, it's quite possible that they got the idea by word of mouth sometime in the past.
In any case, similar circumstances should enable cultures with no knowledge of each other to do the same things, such as in this case, build pyramids 
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King of Rasslin
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It isn't just a stupid "snake god." It's a multi-headed feathered serpent, much more civilized. Seeing this god (well, it's a common symbol, most likely a god) in many different cultures would be unusual. Throw Eygpt out, and I would still think it's strange that it appears in America and this Eastern civilization. I think it was the ones that made the Ankor Wat that had it. I have no idea about their history, but I did read that the snake appears often in their ruins.
And their calendar IS more accurate than ours! This is just accepted. At least you accept that there is a good purpose for aligning the pyramids to the stars, since they did depend on seasonal rains. They were not "worthless" structures made by religious fanatics, please...
You have to show some respect to how great these monuments are. I doubt if the Vegas pyramid will stand for another 5000 years or so.
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Lord Merciless
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The Great Pyramid of Teotihuacan was built around 500AD, fully 3,000 years after Egyptians completed their Great ones at Giza. The city of Teotihuacan fell into chaos around 600AD, possibly an after effect from the massive Krakatoa erruption in 535AD. (East Roman Empire, Celtic Britain, Persia, and China all suffered greatly from it)
Mayan Pyramids were built even later. Most South Mayan monuments were built between 600AD and 800AD. After 800AD, the pace of monument buildings dropped off dramatically as Mayan city states experienced massive social upheavals. The last South Mayan pyramid was completed in Copan in 851AD.
However, the collapse of South Mayan city states fueled the development of North Mayan culture. Many monuments were constructed during 1000 and 1200AD. But after 1200AD, the Northern Mayan culture also went into decline, and was finally destroyed by the Spanish in 16th century.
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Ethelred
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Just out of curiosity, just when were the American pyramids built? |
Mostly AD allright. Not sure when the Mayans started their. 500? 800? maybe. Pyramids were in use and likely ocasionally still enlarged or even built right up till the Cortez changed everything. I think there was at least one that was built BC. It wasn't made of stone though. A pile of sand and clay mostly.
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by King of Rasslin
It isn't just a stupid "snake god." It's a multi-headed feathered serpent, much more civilized. |
Thats Quetzalcoatl, Feathered Serpent and at least most of the time Q has one head only, I can't find a multi-headed version. Sorry its not Set that was the snake god in Egypt. It was Amon later Amon-Ra that started as a snake god. No feathers. There was also a female snake god Meresger, no feathers there either.
Ancient Egyptian gods, short descriptions
http://www.osirisweb.com/egypt/director.htm
Site on Quetzalcoatl, the Feathered Serpent.
http://weber.ucsd.edu/~anthclub/que...atl/quetzal.htm
Another site on Q the Feathered Serpent
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0084556
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Seeing this god (well, it's a common symbol, most likely a god) in many different cultures would be unusual. Throw Eygpt out, and I would still think it's strange that it appears in America and this Eastern civilization. I think it was the ones that made the Ankor Wat that had it. I have no idea about their history, but I did read that the snake appears often in their ruins. |
There are a lot of civilizations and gods. No reason why some shouldn't seem similar. However in a quick search I am not seeing a feathered serpent at Angkor Wat. Perhaps if you tried supplying a link upon occasion.
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And their calendar IS more accurate than ours! This is just accepted. |
Just because YOU accept that nonsense it doesn't mean I do.
http://webexhibits.org/calendars/calendar-mayan.html
The sight SLIGHTLY agrees with you EXCEPT they are talking about the Gregorian calendar and we use a modified version of it these days.
Site that covers the Gregorian calendar and mentions that we use a slight variation on it these days.
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/16700/91466
We are more accurate than the Mayans. If we weren't we wouldn't know how far accurate they actually were.
We time with hydrogen masers these days. Thats quite a bit more accurate than the Earth itself is.
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At least you accept that there is a good purpose for aligning the pyramids to the stars, since they did depend on seasonal rains. They were not "worthless" structures made by religious fanatics, please... |
The Egyptian pyramids were just tombs as far as anyone can tell. The Egyptians didn't use them for calculating the seasons. The Mayans and in particular the Aztecs used them for ritual sacrifice. I don't think they needed to use them for calculations either. Its just that its easy to line up with the stars and make a grid. Why not build north-south? We do. Most US buildings are alligned with the stars also. I don't think there is religious significance in it.
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You have to show some respect to how great these monuments are. I doubt if the Vegas pyramid will stand for another 5000 years or so. |
Most likely it will lose its audience eventually to some newer hotel-casino and get "blowed up real good". The originals are spectacular monuments but they aren't something that was impossible to build with ancient tools nor are they something that had to copied in other places simply because of some similarities. Four sloping sides is a pretty basic concept. If you know that going straight up is a recipe for disaster you have to slope inwards. People like four sides. If all four sides are equal you have a pyramid.
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Ethelred
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Spock was the party guy wasn't he? I coulda sworn he was. Funny ears, pajamas and singing about Hobbits to kids that were defininitly on something mind bending and besides only Kirk got more chicks.
Lessons on how to kill a popular series for high school and college students. Move it from a succesful run on Thursday night to Friday night. Then produce all the scripts that must have been rejected the first two years to make sure its really dead.
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13-08-2002 16:13
at myself.
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