09-08-2002 18:03									#1
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The pyramid of Cheops:

- The pyramid of Cheops is located exactly in the center of the geographic earth. (the landmass)
- it's located on the crosspoint of the longest landcontact meridian and the longest land parallel.
- it's north and south (and west and east) sides are perfectly facing north and south (and east and west)
- the length of the size is exactly 365,242 el. (the avg number of days of a year)

Besides that do modern architects have no clue on how this pyramid could ever have been build, neither would they know how to reproduce it.

Who built it? How came they were that smart?

	09-08-2002 18:10									#2
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Sheer luck (they used a deck of cards and a dice to decide the measures)?
Got help from aliens (knowledge of earth's geometry & continents)?
They knew what they were doing (this cannot be said from many modern builders/architects/contractors)?

And what do you mean "the length of the size"....? And what unit is el.?

I believe, that they had some forgotten knowledge. Like cold fusion

	09-08-2002 18:11									#3
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They followed the lead of Alexander's Horse

	09-08-2002 18:28									#4
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy The pyramid of Cheops: - The pyramid of Cheops is located exactly in the center of the geographic earth. (the landmass)

What is the centre point on a globe?

quote: Originally posted by CyberShy - it's located on the crosspoint of the longest landcontact meridian and the longest land parallel.

Wouldn't that crosspoint be someplace in Russia.

	09-08-2002 18:42									#5
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Not sure what length and el is.
Any chance that it was done the other way. The el was determined by the size of the pyramid.

	09-08-2002 18:55									#6
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365,242 days >
why didn't the Egyptians incorporate this magical number into their solar calendar then?

	09-08-2002 18:59									#7
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Cheops and the other pyramids from that era was the result of centuries of learning by doing. It was not like Cheops was the first pyramid they built.

	09-08-2002 19:01									#8
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did you see stargate? it was obviously the work of aliens inhabiting human bodies.

duh...

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Why is it that moderns assume that ancient people were stupid? The idea that the pyramids were built by forces other than human ingenuity and hard work is insulting to those people that built it.

Those dumbass Egyptians couldn't have known about N-E-W-S - I mean, they were just ignorant barbarians right? And what use would an agricultural society have with astronomy?

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Okay, first off, what exactly do you mean with:

- the centre of the geographic earth
- longest landcontact meridian
- longest land parallel
- an el

And yes, I'm familiar with the terms meridian, parallel, centre, etc. The el you mentioned, is that the Dutch el? If so, I'm quite sure the Egyptians never used that measure of length. As for point 3, I have to check...

Like Kropotkin said, they had considerable experience with building pyramids, and a good amount of slaves to do the heavy physical work for them. Sure, even then it is still a great feat of architecture, but I don't think it's anything superhuman.

And if they were so smart like you seem to believe, how come they haven't left any kind of proof except for a few pyramids, temples and a sphinx?

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quote: why didn't the Egyptians incorporate this magical number into their solar calendar then?

pherhaps the egypts didn't knew this, because they might in example be helped by others?

quote: Not sure what length and el is.

The modern-hebrew el. (the el of those days, which was not the 'hebrew' el in those days, but the common el)

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quote: pherhaps the egypts didn't knew this, because they might in example be helped by others?

exactly!!! aliens.

	09-08-2002 19:14									#13
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy neither would they know how to reproduce it.

This is not true. The only reason we wouldnt build such a wasteful monstrosity today is because it is utterly useless. We certainly have the know-how to build pyramids, but there is no motivation to do so.

These people were great builders of their times, but they werent that smart to waste so much time and effort on a completely useless structure were they?

	09-08-2002 19:16									#14
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quote: - the centre of the geographic earth

I *think* they mean the place with exactly as much distance to the most western landmass (Alaska) as to the eastern landmass (East-russia) as to the North (Scandinavia) as to the South (Sout America?)

Well, something like that.
I can *imagine* that that picture comes close.
That means they need to have knowledge of the geography of the entire world.

quote: - longest landcontact meridian

I think they mean the meridian, that goes over land for the longest distance without crossing any sea. (East See, Black See, Gulf, etc.)

quote: - longest land parallel

I don't know. I hope one of you guys knows.

quote: Like Kropotkin said, they had considerable experience with building pyramids, and a good amount of slaves to do the heavy physical work for them. Sure, even then it is still a great feat of architecture, but I don't think it's anything superhuman.

I think there's no problem with the building, indeed with that number of slaves. It's more the architecture that's a problem. Again, I'm no architect, thus if websites claim that, I believe them.

It's not like I know the answer, it's more like I have been visiting much websites who say this. I thought I should put it up here as a topic for discussion.

quote: And if they were so smart like you seem to believe, how come they haven't left any kind of proof except for a few pyramids, temples and a sphinx?

Stonehenge, some stonehenge thing in Israel,
there must be a city somewhere with gates build out of 500 megaton stones that are perfectly putted against each other.

But indeed, why is there nothing more than that?

But at the other site, these things are pretty good proof already.

	09-08-2002 19:19									#15
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quote: We certainly have the know-how to build pyramids, but there is no motivation to do so.

I thought so, but that's not what architects and scientists say.

quote: These people were great builders of their times, but they werent that smart to waste so much time and effort on a completely useless structure were they?

com'on, we have:
Tour Eiffel
Statue of Liberty
Millenium Dome
Modern art

just to name some.
I think it's not useless. For sure if you concider that it's STILL standing! After around 5000 years!! That's amazing. They putted their footprint in the sand forever, it seems.

The architecture makes sure it won't get destroyed easily.

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quote: I *think* they mean the place with exactly as much distance to the most western landmass (Alaska) as to the eastern landmass (East-russia) as to the North (Scandinavia) as to the South (Sout America?)

except, see, that's completely arbitrary. most western by whose definition? on a globe, there is no most western and most eastern.

this holds true, unless magellan was wrong and we live on a flat planet.

besides, these pyramids were built for pagan gods... with alien help...

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quote: That means they need to have knowledge of the geography of the entire world

No, they just happend to live there!

As for the slaves, as I've heard the pyramids probably was not built by slaves at all. But that's up for speculation I supose.

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A few Googled links:

http://www.touregypt.net/construction/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyrami...ore/howold.html

The above isn't a bad link.

Reason why I checked around is because of the claim that the Pyramids are exactly 365,000 (+-) "els" in length. According to the NOVA site, the pyramids at Cheops were built appx. 3200 BCE. Given that the Hebrews didn't arrive in Egypt for 1200+ years after that ( http://philo.ucdavis.edu/zope/home/...02000-587%20BCE ), it makes NO sense that the Egyptians would use a unit of measurement that they were 1,000 years away from learning about.

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quote: except, see, that's completely arbitrary. most western by whose definition? on a globe, there is no most western and most eastern.

that's right. But *if* you have to pick a center, *that* would be the center. Of course you can cry about that a globe has no center, but that doesn't make the location less spectaculair.

quote: No, they just happend to live there!

EXACLTY on that spot?
cool

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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy quote: why didn't the Egyptians incorporate this magical number into their solar calendar then?

Perhaps the number was dimensionless so it can't be checked either.

365.whatever WHAT? The Egyptians used cubits and that varies from place to place to place. The casing isn't there anymore so we can't measure it exactly anyway.

	09-08-2002 19:28									#21
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quote: that's right. But *if* you have to pick a center, *that* would be the center.

why?

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quote: why?

what would be your center?

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God, the amount of effort that some people use to convince themselves of the undeniably false amazes me.

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JohnT: That's just 'cause of your western imperialistic apprehension of time as linear. Don't be so narrowminded! True visionaries can't be stopped by such petty concepts.

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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy quote: We certainly have the know-how to build pyramids, but there is no motivation to do so. I thought so, but that's not what architects and scientists say.

Which architects and scientists say this?

quote: quote: These people were great builders of their times, but they werent that smart to waste so much time and effort on a completely useless structure were they? com'on, we have: Tour Eiffel Statue of Liberty Millenium Dome Modern art

None of these structures took anywhere near the amount of resources and labor to build as the pyramids. We have modern machines to aid us, they did not.

quote: just to name some. I think it's not useless. For sure if you concider that it's STILL standing! After around 5000 years!! That's amazing. They putted their footprint in the sand forever, it seems. The architecture makes sure it won't get destroyed easily.

Hey, I find them to be amazing structures too, but it doesnt change the fact that they are useless.

	09-08-2002 19:30									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia This is not true. The only reason we wouldnt build such a wasteful monstrosity today is because it is utterly useless. We certainly have the know-how to build pyramids, but there is no motivation to do so.

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That just proves his point rah...

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In looking around for pyramid/Hebrew timelines, I found the following line (the topic is irrelevant to the pyramid discussion, but the point isn't):

"In 1450 Gutenberg printed his 42-line Bible in Mainz on a quality of handmade paper which remains unsurpassed to this day."

Does this mean that Gutenberg was helped by aliens? Does this mean that 15th century paper technology was/is far superior to 21st century paper processing methods?

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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy that's right. But *if* you have to pick a center, *that* would be the center. Of course you can cry about that a globe has no center, but that doesn't make the location less spectaculair.

So if we decide that is the center, it must be amazing that the pyramids happen to be there.

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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy quote: - the centre of the geographic earth I *think* they mean the place with exactly as much distance to the most western landmass (Alaska) as to the eastern landmass (East-russia) as to the North (Scandinavia) as to the South (Sout America?)

Then it would have to be nearer to the equator.

quote: I think they mean the meridian, that goes over land for the longest distance without crossing any sea. (East See, Black See, Gulf, etc.)

It passes over the Mediteranean so its wrong. If water counts then the Americas go farther north and farther south. If water stops the projection than its still wrong.

quote: I think there's no problem with the building, indeed with that number of slaves. It's more the architecture that's a problem. Again, I'm no architect, thus if websites claim that, I believe them.

And you believer EVERYTHING you see on the internet dodn't you?

quote: Stonehenge, some stonehenge thing in Israel, there must be a city somewhere with gates build out of 500 megaton stones that are perfectly putted against each other.

Uhg. Boy that makes no sense. Stonehenge is in England. The stones aren't perfect in anyway whatsoever.