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This is a follow-up thread to an earlier one; check out this:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=58704

if you haven't already. Return here when you're sufficiently freaked out.

Anyhow; a quick background. As most people here will know, Sweden played a role that can only be described as worthy of contempt the last century - after having collaborated with the Nazi during most of WWII, the Social Democrats promptly changed their tune and became serious Soviet bootlickers all the way to the fall of the Wall. One of the few redeeming aspects is the story of Raoul Wallenberg, the Swedish diplomat who almost single-handedly managed to save close to a hundered thousand Jews from extermination in nazi Hungary during the very end of the war, and who was murdered by the Soviet communists when they "liberated" that country.

Wallenberg's heroic deeds have been remembered and commemorated all over the world. There are monuments to the man in more places than you can mention. Except that is, in Sweden. Until the fall of the Wall, the Social Democrats officially downplayed the Wallenberg issue, in order not to "offend" the Soviets. And even after the fall of the Soviet Union, it took more than ten years for Sweden to raise a monument, and then it happened only because a opposition government took the initative during one of the extremely few non-Social Democrat stints in power. Still, the Social Democrats were soon back, and while they couldn't stop the project, they now had the final word on how to execute it.

You guessed it by now, haven't you? That awful, disgusting pile of elephant poo is the new Raoul Wallenberg monument in Stockholm. While the Social Democrats couldn't stop the monument from happening, the could sure send a clear message: we crap on Raoul Wallenberg, we crap on the people he saved and we crap on the people he didn't manage to save. This awful pile of sun-dried feces is what the Social Democrats in Sweden think Wallenberg deserves.

Why in heaven's name would they do a thing like that, you ask yourself? Oh, the Social Democrats don't want to be reminided of how much Wallenberg managed to do - it raises the question of what Sweden could have managed had it bothered to do anyting at all durting that terrible time. Even more important, though, is that the Wallenbergs happen to be the richest and easily the most influential family in Sweden, and so the Social Democrats have always hated them - not that this has prevented any party from cooperating with the other.

Behold. The festering pile of crap depicted in that other thread is the ultimate expression of socialist malevolence and envy, even when it has to be done at the expense of one of the few genuinly positive Swedish contributions to the world. This is the even uglier truth behind the ugly Socialist art.

Below is a picture of Raoul Wallenberg (1912 - ?):

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As most people here will know, Sweden played a role that can only be described as worthy of contempt the last century - after having collaborated with the Nazi during most of WWII, the Social Democrats promptly changed their tune and became serious Soviet bootlickers all the way to the fall of the Wall.



And now the evil social democrats are serious US bootlickers but that doesn't seem to bother you
I'd say this is Swedens typical way of staying out of trouble. Cowardly, yes, but at least we have not been invaded for some time now

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Sounds like the SDs need to be shown the exit door at the next ballot.

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Damn Moomin, did a Socialist (or a SD ) kick your puppy when you were a kid?

Such vitriol...

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That is amazing. I had actually given Sweden some credit due to the fact that Wallenberg was Swedish. Combat Ingrid has convinced me to leave the credit with Wallenberg and let the country as a whole be judged by the elephant poo memorial.

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Damn it, Jaakko, I was just about to say the same thing (well OK, that Olof Palme stole a lollipop).

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Maybe your version is true, explaining his animosity towards ole Snappy...

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I still suspect moomin of actually being Sir David in disguise.

Sir David, you can't possibly believe what you yourself are saying. Quite a few people find the monument a very strong statement, not everything falls into your crazy right-wing conspiracy theory. Get off it.

My favourite insane right-wing assertion has always been the "Soviet Bootlicking" one, as anyone with merest knowldege of recent Swedish history will realise on what side Sweden would have stood had a war actually occurred... Note that not even the Moderates dared break neutrality, in face of public opinion.

This is not to excuse stuff like the Baltic Deportations, easily a low point in Swedish history, and I'm no PA Hansson fan, but we're not talking anything the Right wouldn't have done differently.

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Woohoo! I got the closest, I guessed it represents a politician (and while Wallenberg wasn't exactly a politician, he was nevertheless an important person.)

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I still suspect moomin of actually being Sir David in disguise.


Sir David spelt worse than moomin, Squid.

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Woohoo! I got the closest, I guessed it represents a politician (and while Wallenberg wasn't exactly a politician, he was nevertheless an important person.)


So you're saying that a politican is an important person?

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Crappy art aside (message or no message, it is still bad art), I also gave Sweden credit for Wallenberg's actions. Oh, well.

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So you're saying that a politican is an important person?


Occassionally. When no-one's looking.

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Conservatives never like art until about 100 years later.

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Excellent, I needed this.

Also read this if you know Swedish: http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyhet...,110075,00.html

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Socialist wimps need to see the firm manliness of conservatism!

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Boom chicka chicka boom chicka chicka...

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Also read this if you know Swedish: http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyhet...,110075,00.html


Quite.

This is so very disgusting. I can't help but to think what would happen if some other country tried to pull a stunt like this on a prominent citizen of thiers. There'd be a friggin' revolution.

Here in Socialist Welfare Utiopa, though, people just look away. I the Social Democrats did it, it can't be wrong.

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You guessed it by now, haven't you? That awful, disgusting pile of elephant poo is the new Raoul Wallenberg monument in Stockholm. While the Social Democrats couldn't stop the monument from happening, the could sure send a clear message: we crap on Raoul Wallenberg, we crap on the people he saved and we crap on the people he didn't manage to save. This awful pile of sun-dried feces is what the Social Democrats in Sweden think Wallenberg deserves.





You're gone

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Note that not even the Moderates dared break neutrality, in face of public opinion.
I thought that the Swiss were the only ones so fanatically devoted to not having an opinion.

Zorba: You're gone

You do that the monument does look like a collection of doo.

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Beside the pointless point of moomin trying to weave this piece of so called art into his social democratic world conspiracy I do agree that there's a point with this talk about ugliness.

Good art or bad art is for others to decide, that's very subjective really. The artist might have had a good point with his twelve pieces of sh!t. But art in a public space should have a message that people that visits this public space can relate to. It does not have to be such a obvious thing as a statue of Raoul W. but something that uses a language that people can relate to. Not some esoteric piece of art you need a degree in modern art to understand.

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I thought that the Swiss were the only ones so fanatically devoted to not having an opinion.


Snappy is pulling your leg. The moderate opposition has been pro-NATO for a long, long time. Not that it matters, since the Social Democrats own Sweden.

Swedish cold war policies were up to the usual Swedish standard: undercover collaboration with NATO, hiding this from both the people and most of those elected to the Parliament - thereby exposing Sweden to terrible risk, since the Soviets surely knew, while NATO would never have risked final showdown over a formally non-aligned country - while publicly denouncing the US as a "racist, imperialist oppressor" and singing the praises of the People's Progress in the Soviet Union and in Mao's China.

Come to think of it, this policy has now largely been exported to the EU at large. Desperately trying to be covered by American economic and military protection, while damning the US for it's "aggression" against poor Saddam at the same time, hoping in vain that the terrorist attacks will continue to happen in the US only. No wonder EU is so popular in Sweden these days - we're right at home.

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"Come to think of it, this policy has now largely been exported to the EU at large. Desperately trying to be covered by American economic and military protection, while damning the US for it's "aggression" against poor Saddam at the same time, hoping in vain that the terrorist attacks will continue to happen in the US only. No wonder EU is so popular in Sweden these days - we're right at home."

Yes, this is the natural conclusion to the argument you made earlier.

But us Americans would never have thought you'd do such a thing!

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If Sweden had openly sided with Nato there was a great risk of destabilising northern Europe. I hardly think it's very constructive to point fingers of the more or less moral choices of politicians under those circumstances when the critic sits safety in his chair decades later and interpets history into something that fits his or hers political agenda.

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"If Sweden had openly sided with Nato there was a great risk of destabilising northern Europe."

Hogwash.

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Easy to say now...

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Yes, it's very easy to say now. Did Western Germany's siding with NATO create instability in Central Europe? How about Italy's in Souther Europe?

What makes Sweden so special?

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DanS, it would have annoyed us Finns.

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Who said it was something "special" about Sweden?

 
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