14-08-2002 15:44									#31
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon You mean we're too chikenshit to kill thousands of innocent civilians in revenge attacks? Or too chickenshit to pass acts no-one can oppose which strip citizens of basic rights?

Who would ever tell such lies about Great Britain? Certainly the Scots wouldn't.

	14-08-2002 15:45									#32
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon So what? We should have declared war and bombed the **** out of Ireland, killing thousands in the process.

Yup. Thats what real countries do when their citizens are being murdered by thugs, whether in uniform or not.

	14-08-2002 15:47									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred Who would ever tell such lies about Great Britain? Certainly the Scots wouldn't.

Yes, because events from hundreds of years ago of course apply.

	14-08-2002 15:48									#34
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger When a sectarian killing is carried out in northern ireland then the other side retaliate and do the same, is this not terrorists creating terrorists

How many Englishmen partook of that sectarian violence? Except to get blown up of course. We wont count that.

	14-08-2002 15:49									#35
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Yup. Thats what real countries do when their citizens are being murdered by thugs, whether in uniform or not.

So killing some of their citizens in revenge? That's sick! I'd rather live in a country that is known as weak than one which murders innocents.

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither How many Englishmen partook of that sectarian violence? Except to get blown up of course. We wont count that.

I was pointing out that terrorists create terrorists.

	14-08-2002 15:51									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's So it's not just the present-day bunch of Americans that are fools for false compliments from idiotic fools?

Its hardly foolish to accept the truth. The US is greatest nation from the point of view of Americans. That its the most powerful should be obvious to anyone but that isn't really the point. Every nation has its own ideals and US fits the US ideals just a tad better than any other country. Some of us would admit that Canada comes close. Its just that the weather is lousy.

Bush is an idiot though. You do have that right.

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Yes, because events from hundreds of years ago of course apply.

No. But more recently, you guys were pussies. Now you're pissed the Mercans won't stand for it.

Why must they follow your lead of disregarding the lives of their citizens?

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Yes, because events from hundreds of years ago of course apply.

Dresden wasn't hundreds of years ago.

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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger I was pointing out that terrorists create terrorists.

No. They do not necessarily.

Desperation breeds terrorism.

Acceptance breeds cattle. Europe goes moo.

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither No. But more recently, you guys were pussies. Now you're pissed the Mercans won't stand for it. Why must they follow your lead of disregarding the lives of their citizens?

So American lives should be worth more than Afghani lives?

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon I'd rather live in a country that is known as weak than one which murders innocents.

So when are you moving out of GB? Where to, Luxembourg?

	14-08-2002 15:55									#43
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither No. They do not necessarily. Desperation breeds terrorism. Acceptance breeds cattle. Europe goes moo.

So you're saying we should kill people who only acted out of desperation?

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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred The US is greatest nation from the point of view of Americans.

"..from the point of view of Americans"?

quote: Bush is an idiot though. You do have that right.

A large minority of Americans don't seem to yet.

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither No. They do not necessarily. Desperation breeds terrorism. Acceptance breeds cattle. Europe goes moo.

In Canada you get all the advantages of americas power and don't have any of the responsibilities, so i don't know haow you can lecture people when you have never experianced it.
Edit- experianced terrorism that is

	14-08-2002 15:57									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred So when are you moving out of GB? Where to, Luxembourg?

Murders, not murdered. Britain is not the same country it was even just 50 years ago.

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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's A large minority of Americans don't seem to yet.

I thought the majority of Americans like him now?

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon So killing some of their citizens in revenge? That's sick! I'd rather live in a country that is known as weak than one which murders innocents.

Then you live in a country merely waiting to be washed away into someone else's grand plan. You do what it takes to protect yourselves. That is the first responsibility of any responsible government. If you wish to meekly await the knife...

Don't blame the Mercans when that happens.

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon I thought the majority of Americans like him now?

Who knows what Americans mean by "majority" though, in the Americans' point of view of course.

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon So American lives should be worth more than Afghani lives?

From the US point of view certainly. However the US is not deliberatly killing civilians as you seem to be pretending. Neither are our allies in Afganistan the Brits.

You seem to strangly unaware that British troops are in Afganistan helping the US troops. They are doing much better then they did the first British troops were in Afghanistan.

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon So American lives should be worth more than Afghani lives?

To Americans, yes. When Americans are attacked by thugs sheltered in that country.

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Murders, not murdered. Britain is not the same country it was even just 50 years ago.

The loss of India did devastate the economy. Glad to see its finally getting over it.

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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred From the US point of view certainly. However the US is not deliberatly killing civilians as you seem to be pretending. Neither are our allies in Afganistan the Brits. You seem to strangly unaware that British troops are in Afganistan helping the US troops. They are doing much better then they did the first British troops were in Afghanistan.

I know the US isn't deliberately killing civilians but they are - and they most certainly don't care if they do.

And I detest Blair's intervention in Afghanistan.

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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred The loss of India did devastate the economy. Glad to see its finally getting over it.

..in Americans' point of view.

	14-08-2002 16:03									#55
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The US also sides with Israel, who also kill innocent civilians willingly.

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither What Irish terrorist groups. Are you on crack? What bombs have gone off in London in the last 2 or 3 years?

Not wishing to get into this, but feel I ought to point out (since you ask) that they are still repairing the damage to the bomb that went off in my local shopping centre, 12 months ago.

Granted activity on the Irish terrorism front is down considerably, but ...

ok you can carry on your squabble now lads

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Then you live in a country merely waiting to be washed away into someone else's grand plan. You do what it takes to protect yourselves. That is the first responsibility of any responsible government. If you wish to meekly await the knife... Don't blame the Mercans when that happens.

What about the 'patriot act' and other abuses of civil rights in their homeland? It seems to me that the US public is being washed away inyo someone else's grand plan. And they currently have the opportunity to become the most powerful people in documented history.

	14-08-2002 16:06									#58
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon So you're saying we should kill people who only acted out of desperation?

I am saying that nations should protect their own when attacked. If you choose not to, your problem.

Don't ***** when you've *****ed the Mercans out of caring, when some European or other threat comes to carry you away from your safe, warm, complacency.

Get a frikin life and realize that the world is a lot bigger than the nice safe sand box you assume is the norm.

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quote: Originally posted by Gary Not wishing to get into this, but feel I ought to point out (since you ask) that they are still repairing the damage to the bomb that went off in my local shopping centre, 12 months ago. Granted activity on the Irish terrorism front is down considerably, but ... ok you can carry on your squabble now lads

Of course thay have all moved to columbia to help those famous allies of the USA

	14-08-2002 16:06									#60
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"Yup. Thats what real countries do when their citizens are being murdered by thugs, whether in uniform or not."

Let's see..during the period we had troops actively deployed in Northern Ireland, shooting terrorist suspects, rumbling around in APCs and locking up anyone we fancied, we had the worst series of terrorist attacks in Northern Ireland and on the mainland...since we actually started talking to them (initially in secret) and began a push for peace, and withdrew the troops to barracks (and eventually withdrawing most of them) we have had a rather easier time of it (barring the nutters in the Real IRA).

Looks to me like the war-war was something of a failure at protecting us...and the jaw-jaw approach has had far more success.

In other words you're talking out of your arse...