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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:21
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What sort of politician stands up and says his country isn't the best in the world when speaking to a domestic audiance. |
a) an honest politician, or b) a politician that won't get reelected.
those two things are often found in the same person.
seriously, i think it's kinda funny how people view other countries' leaders. for one thing, kim daejung seems to be extremely well regarded outside of korea-- so much so that he got a nobel peace prize.
thing is, nobody in skorea likes him. he's a poor leader, he's a corrupt hypocrite, and he hasn't done squat for the economy.
just goes to show that whether you like a leader or not is entirely contingent upon whether you live in the country and agree with his politics.
that said, bush appeals to the conservatives and those americans who are knee-jerk patriots. he also appeals to a lot of somewhat moderate conservatives. so i'm not surprised he said somethign along the lines of the us being the best country in the world-- it's something americans have started to believe about themselves, which kinda is detrimental to foreign relations. even if the us is the best, rubbing it in as so many americans do isn't the way to make friends.
but see, the thing is, you have to realize, politics is all about the spin: what you say, who you say it to, and how you say it. bush's speech was to allay the fears of his own people that the us economy would tank, etc., and not for the un, not for the eu, not for the pacific rim, and definitely not for latin america, africa, and s asia. it's just like reagan's old "god bless you, america" phrase he threw into every speech at the end-- one could say that god blesses every country and every person, but in politics, it doesn't matter what the facts are. all that matters is spin.
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by Roland
"Rubbish. The Supreme Court knocks down laws every single year."
Which proves exactly squat. |
It shows you are wrong. If you can't see that then you are merely trolling. Which is likely the case.
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Absolutely. But still I don't quite understand this american inferiority complex. |
Thats you inferiority complex you are thinking with. It was a simple statement by a politician to the home audience. Its wasn't a knock on your tiny little island or its lack of consititutional protections of civil rights nor was it a knock on the Official Secrets Act that you are burdnened with and unable to overturn via that constitution you don't have.
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Faeelin
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Tau Ceti
Oct 2001
time: 05:21
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You know, let's be honest for a moment.
The USA is the strongest country in the world, correct? (The EU *might* be stronger, but since they're still incredibly disunited when it comes to military & foreign policy, the whole is less than the sum of its parts for the moment).
Couldn't you translate strongest into best?
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Caligastia
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The US is #1, its a fact. If that makes you upset then thats just too bad.
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by Roland
"It shows you are wrong."
I think you anglos call that "non sequitur". It isn't a troll either as the SC has let loads of limitations on rights pass. It is, in fact, useless. |
It hasn't let loads of limitions on the Constitution pass. Perhaps you are talking about foreigners that aren't citizens of the US and therefor don't fall under the full protection of the US Constitution. If they want to live here they should become citizens. Till then they can behave themselves and follow US laws. Including not coming here illegaly.
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"It was a simple statement by a politician to the home audience."
I know. It's still strange. |
Its normal. What country is so humble humble that the leader is going to call it second rate unless said leader is looking to spend more money.
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"Its wasn't a knock on your tiny little island or its lack of consititutional protections of civil rights..."
As I am living in a country that is
a) landlocked, and
b) "invented" the specialised Constitutional Court in 1920, |
Sorry I mistook you for a Brit. A specialized Constitutional Court implies that you have a rather detailed and extensive constitution. One is not needed in the US.
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I have to say you don't make any sense.
"...and unable to overturn via that constitution you don't have."
Are you talking about the UK ? I suggest you do some reading on EU law in the UK, esp post Factortame, and the Human Rights Act. |
Yes I was talking about the UK. They don't have a Constitution. Any law in the UK can be changed by a simple majority of Parliment.
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Well if you and your country were only half as good as you claim, there would be no need to blah about it all the time. It looks like desparate self assurance, keeping the common delusions together. |
Sure are touchy about US internal politics aren't you? Its like a band claiming in every city that it has the best audience. Except in this case Bush is, in at least some sense, right. For once.
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14-08-2002 17:18
So true, so true...
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