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Lemmy is offline Lemmy
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maybe you never have to choose between the lesser of two evils up in the neverlands.

Sure we did, we're allied with the US aren't we

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rah:

Well, it's possible. Should we tell him that the Netherlands are secretly ruled from the heart of the Great Satan, Washington, D.C.?

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Saint Marcus is offline Saint Marcus
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Your lack of understanding political reality is the real sad thing here.


And the massacre of 100s of unarmed men isn't?

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Would simply letting the Soviets win Afghanistan have been that bad? However unpleasant Communist Afghanistan was, I can't imagine it was worse than a twenty-some-odd year long civil war.

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Would simply letting the Soviets win Afghanistan have been that bad?
Pakistan would have been next.

SM: Why ally with any group?

You don't know much about the history of Afghanistan, do you?

Saint Marcus is offline Saint Marcus
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and all that makes genocide ok?

rah is offline rah
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Genocide seems a like a large exageration here. Why don't you look it up in the dictionary, and try again.

No he doesn't understand, he just spurts the same old tired hatred from his dark little hole in the ground. I would love to hear a constructive thought from him once in a while. The hatred is consuming him.

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and all that makes genocide ok?
It wasn't genocide.

Saint Marcus is offline Saint Marcus
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you're dodging the question.

you both are.

once again: do you think actions like this by the NA are alright?

DinoDoc is offline DinoDoc
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once again: do you think actions like this by the NA are alright?
Who said they were?

Now let's get to a better question, "How would you have handled the attack on the Afghanistan?"

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No, I don't approve. I don't think anyone here does. (ok maybe one or two of the real extremists) But even in the article you linked to, the second paragraph....

State Department spokesperson Philip Reeker said Monday the United States would look into the "circumstances surrounding the events that are reported," and seek accountability from Afghan authorities.

Seems to prove that the US doesn't support this type of activity either. SO WHAT"S YOU POINT.

We knew they weren't saints, and have made efforts to try to hold them accountable. What would the great Marcus have done differently beside, do nothing in the first place.

Saint Marcus is offline Saint Marcus
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less airstrikes for one

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You're dodging the question.

Saint Marcus is offline Saint Marcus
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according to Newsweek, the US did not only know about the massacre, it also tried to cover it up.

Lefty Scaevola is offline Lefty Scaevola
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The Taliban were the one genocidal ones purging on ethic (Hazaras {sp?} & Tajicks, and religious lines (detruction of other religions antiquities, marking the Hindus). The NA only was firghting (with some of its elements likely commiting atrocites) enemy armed forces.

Saint Marcus is offline Saint Marcus
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possibility 1:

less airstrikes, more special ops strikes, capture bin laden, get out.

possibility 2:

fight the entire war alone, or with allies that don't have so much blood on their hands. (and don't say you didn't know the NA was bad, they have repeatedly commited warcrimes over the past years)

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I think the NA was doing something that was par for the course in Afghanistan.

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no, the Americans didn't want the NA to advance so rapidly into some areas, but in the end couldn't hold them back.

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4/10, Marky, mostly for number of responses. Hardly unique or well thought-out.

I see my compatriots have this well in hand, so I won't waste my time responding to your drivel. I will instead waste my time posting about Civ.

-Arrian

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Hardly unique or well thought-out.
-Arrian


And what would you expect from him?
We are all used to his knee jerk anti american crap... no original thought in at all. But that doesn't stop him from posing it

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no, the Americans didn't want the NA to advance so rapidly into some areas, but in the end couldn't hold them back.


So now you even admit that we were trying to control them but weren't always able to. Please make up your mind. Which one is it, do we condone their actions or were we trying to minimize it.

And thinking that trying to fight without any local support was possible, is just plain naive.

RAH
Oh, and we never did really try to capture OBL.
What planet are you from anyway?

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I did my best to sound unsurprised, Ming, but it doesn't come across as well in print form... you need voice inflection, really.

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I got you all to respond, didn't I?

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US isn't very picky when it comes to chosing allies


Well, Obvously. *France* is one of them!

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I got you all to respond, didn't I?


Hence the "4" in 4/10.

-Arrian

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I got you all to respond, didn't I?


And people that yell "fire" in a crowded theater get people to respond also. It just clearly defines what type of scum they are.

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Saint Marcus, you are bound to unleash the fury of HYPER-patriots, such as Chris62 and Slowwhand.


Are you gonna cry?


Why do people humor SM? He doesnt have the same entertainment value as EVC or Fez. So what is it?

SM: Do you have anything in your life you can post about besides your strange fetish for the United States? You are seriously starting to sound if you have real issues. Do you have any hobbies outside here? Do you fish? Do you collect stamps? Do you donate your time to local charities? Just show us that you aren't one dimensional please.

Saint Marcus is offline Saint Marcus
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And people that yell "fire" in a crowded theater get people to respond also.


one of my friends actually did this.

he got little response though

quote:
Why do people humor SM? He doesnt have the same entertainment value as EVC or Fez. So what is it?


Cause I'm irrisitable

yeah baby, yeah!

quote:
Do you have anything in your life you can post about besides your strange fetish for the United States?


hmmm....no

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You are seriously starting to sound if you have real issues.


that's what my shrink tells me too.

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Do you have any hobbies outside here?


none whatsoever

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Do you fish?


no

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Do you collect stamps?


no

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Do you donate your time to local charities?


no

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Just show us that you aren't one dimensional please.


why?


I've left the topic, and OT, alone for a few days. Now I just had to come back and post.

But to humour you, my hobbies are: Speed Cycling (outdoor), Philosophy, Current affairs, Late Antiquity, Civ3, Movies, Comedy shows (Southpark, Simpsons, Futurama, Seinfeld, Blackadder), Sci-fi (mainly Star Trek), Soccer, Tolkien, The Economist, Traveling, and being an ass on poly's OT.

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rah is offline rah
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Put an end to popups!

Well, we do need the entertainment value that you do supply when you're here, so you can't be all bad

RAH
I wouldn't use that list on resumes or during initial discussions with women. Just a bit Geeky
Just make up stuff like you do here.

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Another phantom post, I posted but it didn't update the thread listing.

 
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