21-08-2002 03:17									#61
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quote: Well, we do need the entertainment value that you do supply when you're here, so you can't be all bad

merci

quote: I wouldn't use that list on resumes or during initial discussions with women. Just a bit Geeky Just make up stuff like you do here.

No kidding

I used to make stuff up and don't act like I really am, with girls at least. I stopped doing that when I broke up with my last girlfriend.

Guess why I've been single ever since?

well, mainly my fault I guess. I studied philosophy for a while, and when that comes up in a conversation with a woman, and she asks me what philosophy really is, I turn around, walk away and order another Scotch.

Besides, I'm not geeky, I'm sophisticated.

	21-08-2002 03:35									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus It is really sad some people don't seem to find this very appaling. The general consensus here is: "**** happends, who cares." Very sad. Why ally with any group? Can't fight your own fights? Very good. Here's a cookie.

Hello! Its the real world. This isnt a happy dippidy doo dah land with fairy princesses and bunny rabbits and foxes frolicking side by side in the sunshine. The world is ugly. Ugly things happen.

We can fight our own fight, however the ghosts of veitnam are with us still. That was a genuine fear at the time. Why get our own sons and daugters killed when there was already eager to do the fighting? They just needed a little help, thats all.

	21-08-2002 03:45									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus one of my friends actually did this. he got little response though Cause I'm irrisitable yeah baby, yeah! hmmm....no that's what my shrink tells me too. none whatsoever no no no why? I've left the topic, and OT, alone for a few days. Now I just had to come back and post. But to humour you, my hobbies are: Speed Cycling (outdoor), Philosophy, Current affairs, Late Antiquity, Civ3, Movies, Comedy shows (Southpark, Simpsons, Futurama, Seinfeld, Blackadder), Sci-fi (mainly Star Trek), Soccer, Tolkien, The Economist, Traveling, and being an ass on poly's OT.

hmmm, interesting that the subject gets changed once one's irrational arguements are blown out of the water....

	21-08-2002 07:25									#64
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What should we do SM, let them fight it out on their own? You are such a troll... I suggest you keep this garbage to yourself unless you're going to suggest an alternative course of action instead of spreading anti-American crap.

	21-08-2002 07:41									#65
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May I add some anti-American crap here? Please? PLEASE I'm so bored.
Marcus,
Why are you surprised? You can't change them. They always seek someone to do their dirty work. As long as their allies are acting in US self-interests they portrayed as nice guys. If their new allies stop kissing uncle Sam's ass, they portray as Satans.

quote: Originally posted by Kramerman We can fight our own fight, however the ghosts of veitnam are with us still. That was a genuine fear at the time. Why get our own sons and daugters killed when there was already eager to do the fighting? They just needed a little help, thats all.

Is Vietnam was different? Aren't you just done a little help to South?
Please, refresh my memory and remind me one, single war USA fought alone.
Sava,

quote: What should we do SM, let them fight it out on their own?

As long you have no need in them, you let them fought (and terrible losing this fought) on their own.
You think showdowns between NA and Taliban started after Sept. 11?

Thank you.
And have a nice day

	21-08-2002 07:47									#66
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The Civil War I know that's not fair... I got more...
The Spanish American War...
The War with Mexico...

Actually, Serb, it is good that the USA hasn't fought many wars on its own. That means we have allies who believe in freedom and democracy. The Vietnam War was about stopping an aggressive communist country from invading a democratic one, ditto to Korea. Of course the US will only butt in when its own interests are threatened. It's a catch-22 with you people. If we stay out of wars, we are letting fighting go on. If we intervene, we are bad because we support the lesser of the two evils. This anti-American blather is tiresome ... find a new horse to back, Johnny.

	21-08-2002 07:59									#67
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Anyone else here notice the delicious irony in a Russian criticizing the US for its actions in Afghanistan? I'm sure the Soviets followed human right law to the letter...

	21-08-2002 08:01									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Anyone else here notice the delicious irony in a Russian criticizing the US for its actions in Afghanistan?

Yeah, I loved that.

	21-08-2002 08:03									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Sava The Spanish American War... The War with Mexico...

Oh... I see now. You call it wars. Please keep enlighten me, how long were those wars? A week, a two weeks?

quote: Actually, Serb, it is good that the USA hasn't fought many wars on its own.

Of course it's good for you. It's very old and wise strategy. If I was an American president I'm acted absolutely alike, but I'm not an American. So, no such behavior is terrible, hypocritical and unhonorable.

quote: The Vietnam War was about stopping an aggressive communist country from invading a democratic one, ditto to Korea.

Don't make me laugh. If Vietnam and Korea of that time were democratic countries, then SU was true communistic heaven.

quote: Of course the US will only butt in when its own interests are threatened. It's a catch-22 with you people. If we stay out of wars, we are letting fighting go on. If we intervene, we are bad because we support the lesser of the two evils.

Wait a minute...It's Arrian's theory.

quote: This anti-American blather is tiresome ... find a new horse to back, Johnny.

There is nothing you can do about this. This anti-American crap will flow until you remain a super power.

	21-08-2002 08:11									#70
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I agree with many of you Anti-Americans that most of the Imperialistic tendencies that the US exhibits are bad; but unfortunately, not many Americans know the truth, and many Americans don't care because life for them is good. But the thing that bothers me is that despite America's faults, we are still the greatest country on Earth. But don't take my word for it, just ask the millions of immigrants that escaped the horrors of war and oppression in Europe and Asia and came to the US to make a new life. No other country has opened its borders to immigrants the way the US has. And that is one of our biggest flaws. There are too many people coming in to filter through the good and the bad. I don't blame the government for becoming a superpower and rattling its sabre. Freedom must be protected.

	21-08-2002 08:33									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Anyone else here notice the delicious irony in a Russian criticizing the US for its actions in Afghanistan? I'm sure the Soviets followed human right law to the letter...

wtf? WTF? W T F?

Me? Criticizing the US for its actions in Afghanistan? When I said that I'm criticizing the US for Afghanistan?
I'm absolutely gratefull to US for it's actions in Afghanistan. The Taliban, this snake's nest should be destroyed long ago and it's very good that USA finally realized this, too sad that for this you'll have to went through Sept. 11.
Again, everything what consider war vs. Taliban, I'm with US 100%. But...
BUT ... I'm really sick of US hypocricity. Untill Sept 11 you absolutely don't care about this growing evil. Sure, why you should care about this evil regime if it don't hit you? You have done nothing to help NA in their war vs. Taliban (and yes, NA is much, MUCH lesser evil in compare with Taliban). In fact you prevent all attempts to help them. The embargo against Afghanistan was removed just recently. Perhaps it was in your national interests? Perhaps.
But only not in our national interests. The Taliban was headache for Kremlin since very long time. Do you think it's cool to have such agressive, extrimist and fundamenalist neighbor? We supported NA for about two years before Sept 11. Just notice, NA- our former enemies, their leader- Ahmad Shah Masud was (killed by Taliban assain) one of the legendary heroes of war vs. Soviets. Our former enemies become our allies, because the Taliban was absolute evil. We supported NA, but it was covert support (only after beggining of American campaign this support was revealed, but sure 99% of you never heard about this) BECAUSE you have no problems with Taliban. And if our actions were revealed before you changed your opinion about them after Sept 11, then no doubt, YOU'll started a super scandal how Russian violate an embargo against Afghanistan.
The Taliban was at least particialy, a CIA creation.
You like to play games with villians, like Tliban. You think you can control them, and make them act in your favour always- this is what I'm greatly disagreed.

P.S. Again, thanks that you finally changed your mind about Taliban and for your help to NA.

	21-08-2002 08:37									#72
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If you guys really appreciate our work against the Taliban, you could start repaying us by not signing that trade pact with Iraq. I doubt that is going to happen, however.

	21-08-2002 08:51									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten If you guys really appreciate our work against the Taliban, you could start repaying us by not signing that trade pact with Iraq. I doubt that is going to happen, however.

Sure, we are repaying you exactly with the same token. As long Saddam don't blow up our skyscrapers we will continue our games with him. But if he will destroy a single Russian building I can asure you, we we'll change our position imediatly. (Not only you can play this game)
And Iraq is not the same as Taliban.

	21-08-2002 08:55									#74
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I don't really blame you guys for supporting Iraq; it's in your best interest to keep a strong Iraq around as a balance to Turkey and Iran. You could be a little more secretive with your support, however. Just follow the French example.

	21-08-2002 09:12									#75
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Today's Iraq is not so strong as it was before 1991. People are dying there because of international isolation and sanctions. I don't beleive that Saddam have any WOMD.
I guess in our national interests to see Iraq as independant country (yes, Saddam is not not perfect, but at least he don't kiss your ass), then as another uncle Sam's whore.
Just don't tell me that oil has nothing common with your desire to remove Saddam.

	21-08-2002 09:14									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Just don't tell me that oil has nothing common with your desire to remove Saddam.

That's why we are trying to help the Russians fully develop thier oil supplies.

	21-08-2002 09:16									#77
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quote: I don't beleive that Saddam have any WOMD.

That's a pretty naive statement, especially considering the evidence that Saddam has chemical and biological weapons. The only WOMD we suspect he doesn't have is nuclear, which the world would be smart to keep out of Saddam's reach.

And no, I don't think that an attack on Iraq would have anything to do with oil. We don't need Iraqi oil; if we did, we would have taken Baghdad back in 1991.

	21-08-2002 09:23									#78
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quote: That's why we are trying to help the Russians fully develop thier oil supplies.

Blah....
Good luck
We don't need your help for that. We have capability to produce much, MUCH more oil then we are now. We just don't do it to keep prices high. (only, to piss you off a little, because we are evilcommiesantiAmerican bastards of course )

	21-08-2002 09:28									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: I don't beleive that Saddam have any WOMD. That's a pretty naive statement, especially considering the evidence that Saddam has chemical and biological weapons. The only WOMD we suspect he doesn't have is nuclear, which the world would be smart to keep out of Saddam's reach.

What evidence?
Do you have a full version of story how Saddam used chemical weapons?

quote: And no, I don't think that an attack on Iraq would have anything to do with oil. We don't need Iraqi oil; if we did, we would have taken Baghdad back in 1991.

Really?

	21-08-2002 09:38									#80
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"We have capability to produce much, MUCH more oil then we are now."

Give me a break. If you could produce and deliver any more oil to market, you would be doing so at these fat prices.

	21-08-2002 09:49									#81
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Give me a break.

Break is given: one week in Mingapulco.

	21-08-2002 09:59									#82
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Thanks Vagabond.

DanS,
Do you ever heard about proposal-price conection (or whatever it called on your monkey language)? Many oil-lower prices, less oil higher prices. It's simple.
Few months ago we decreased our oil output in accordance with agreements with OPEC for few months, just to keep prices high. We can do it again any time.

	21-08-2002 10:07									#83
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FYI, it is widely understood that y'all didn't hold to that agreement, even for a moment.

Not that I blame you though. You guys need the $ and OPEC can just as well sod off. Only a fool wouldn't ratchet up production at these prices.

	21-08-2002 10:27									#84
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First of all we are not a member of OPEC and as far as I remember we fulfilled our agreement with them. Our oil output was reduced for few months. But you right, why we should we care about OPEC's opinion, while we can make an additional $$$.

	21-08-2002 15:37									#85
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quote: I suggest you keep this garbage to yourself

you gonna make me, tough guy?

	21-08-2002 16:01									#86
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quote: Do you have a full version of story how Saddam used chemical weapons?

Have you somehow forgotten the Iran-Iraq War and the gassing of the Kurds?

	21-08-2002 16:15									#87
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Actually yes.
But if so, perhaps you somehow forget about Hiroshima and Nagasaky. USA is the only country of the World which used nukes. Why Americans consider that they have right to have them, while Iraq can not?

	21-08-2002 18:18									#88
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quote: Originally posted by DanS "We have capability to produce much, MUCH more oil then we are now." Give me a break. If you could produce and deliver any more oil to market, you would be doing so at these fat prices.

My production (roaylty interests) have gone way up, as well as leasing activity on non-producing mineral interests. Most of my mineral interests are in marginal properties (not enough fracturing or pourousness for the oil to flow through the rock, or old fields nearing the end of production and needing enhanced recovery techniques) that are not ecomonic at lower prices; the cost of production is too high. They kick in around $25 dollars a barrel. There is a significant supply of these properties in Texas, and I would assume so elsewhere in the USA, which rapidly make a MODEST adjust to supply when the prices rise enough to cover the higher production costs. Ev

	21-08-2002 20:32									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Sava No other country has opened its borders to immigrants the way the US has. And that is one of our biggest flaws. There are too many people coming in to filter through the good and the bad.

*COUGH COUGH* AHEM! Canada? We DID take in the september 11th terrorists before they went flying. And untill last week, we were accepting anyone. Now tho, we turn away stranded refugees, so we are getting better in a bad way

	21-08-2002 20:39									#90
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quote: No other country has opened its borders to immigrants the way the US has.

what world do you live in?