24-08-2002 00:38									#151
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You had stockpiled one in the first round. That's why.

	24-08-2002 00:39									#152
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I did? If they don't sell, they are automatically stockpiled?

	24-08-2002 00:46									#153
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Only shields and commerce. Food is lost unless you have a Silo.

	24-08-2002 00:48									#154
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I see...

Hm, Ghengis got a better deal than I thought, unless he really messed up and I didn't sell anything.

	24-08-2002 01:11									#155
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx I see... Hm, Ghengis got a better deal than I thought, unless he really messed up and I didn't sell anything.

I think I cleared $53 off of your property after the $125. I'm figuring it up now................

	24-08-2002 01:12									#156
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I am looking at that though. Next turn, you would only get ~ $9...That is not fair to you...what is a fair fee?

	24-08-2002 01:49									#157
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FINAL TRANSACTION LIST FOR SESSION TWO
Here's what I came up with for completed transactions:

LABOR MARKET
Total population: 14
Available labour: 14
Labor demand: 6

D:S = 6/14 = $43 (Minimum Wage)
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
Kloreep hired 1 labor at $7 - PRICED BELOW MINIMUM WAGE
GhengisFarb hired 3 labor at $44
Franses hired 2 labor at $44


FOOD MARKET
Food demand: 28
Food supplied: 35
Food sold: 22

D:S = 28/(35+22)57 = 49%
End price = $49
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
Spiffor sold 1 food at $44
jdd2007 sold 3 food at $40
Kramerman sold 2 food at $50 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Epistax sold 2 food at $44
Kloreep sold 2 food at $60 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Jonny sold 1 food at $50 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
GhengisFarb sold 5 food at $44
notyoueither sold 2 food at ???
Franses sold 2 food at $45
UnOrthOdOx sold 2 food at $44


SHIELD MARKET
Shields demand: 18
Shields supplied: 19
Shields sold: 8

D:S = 18/(19 + 8)27 = 67%
End price = $67
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
Spiffor sold 1 shields at $45
Kramerman sold 2 shields at $60
Kloreep sold 2 shields at $68 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Jonny sold 3 shields at $50


COMMERCE MARKET
Commerce demand: 20
Commerce supplied: 23
Commerce sold: 20

D:S = 20/(23 + 20)43 = 47%
End price = $47
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
Spiffor sold 1 commerce at $40
jdd2007 sold 3 commerce at $40
Kramerman sold 2 commerce at $60 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Epistax sold 2 commerce at $44
Kloreep sold 1 commerce at $63 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Jonny sold 1 commerce at $50 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
notyoueither sold 4 commerce at ???
Franses sold 1 commerce at $45
UnOrthOdOx sold 2 commerce at $45




Total Incomes
civman2001
..........Total Income for Turn =$175 (Cash=$175 Debt=$1000)

Epistax sold 2 food at $44
Epistax sold 1 commerce at $45
..........Total Income for Turn =$133 (Cash=$233 Debt=$750)

Franses hired 2 labor at $44
Franses sold 2 food at $45
Franses sold 1 commerce at $45
..........Total Income for Turn =$47 (Cash=$342 Debt=$1100)

GhengisFarb hired 3 labor at $44
GhengisFarb sold 5 food at $44
GhengisFarb paid civman2001 $175
GhengisFarb received $53 from UnOrthOdOx
..........Total Income for Turn = -$34 (Cash=$166 Debt=$1000)

jdd2007 sold 3 food at $40
jdd2007 sold 5 commerce at $45
jdd2007 paid off $250 in debt.
..........Total Income for Turn =$95 (Cash=$345 Debt=$750)

Jonny sold 1 food at $50 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Jonny sold 3 shields at $50
Jonny sold 1 commerce at $50 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
..........Total Income for Turn =$150 (Cash=$150 Debt=$1200)

Kloreep hired 1 labor at $7 - PRICED BELOW MINIMUM WAGE
Kloreep sold 2 food at $60 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Kloreep sold 2 shields at $68 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Kloreep sold 1 commerce at $63 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
..........Total Income for Turn =$0 (Cash=$298 Debt=$1400)

Kramerman sold 2 food at $50 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Kramerman sold 2 shields at $60
Kramerman sold 2 commerce at $60 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
..........Total Income for Turn =$120 (Cash=$120 Debt=$1500)

notyoueither sold 2 food at ???
notyoueither sold 4 commerce at ???
..........Total Income for Turn =$??? (Cash=$0 Debt=$1000)

Spiffor sold 1 food at $44
Spiffor sold 1 shields at $45
Spiffor sold 1 commerce at $40
Spiffor paid off $230 in debt.
..........Total Income for Turn = -$35 (Cash=$195 Debt=$970)

UnOrthOdOx sold 2 food at $44
UnOrthOdOx sold 2 commerce at $45
UnOrthOdOx paid off $100 in debt.
UnOrthOdOx paid off $53 to GhengisFarb.
..........Total Income for Turn =$25 (Cash=$125 Debt=$350)




Anyone notice any mistakes/corrections?

CURRENT STOCKPILES
adaMada has 2 shields and 2 commerce
GhengisFarb has 2 commerce
jdd2007 has 1 commerce
Jonny has 1 shield and 2 commerce
Kloreep has 2 shields and 1 commerce
Kramerman has 4 commerce
notyoueither has 4 commerce
Rendelnep has 2 shields and 2 commerce
Spiffor has 1 shield

TOTAL OF 8 SHIELDS AND 18 COMMERCE STOCKPILED


CONSTRUCTION STATUS
GhengisFarb has built 3 of ? on a building in a city.
Franses has built 2 of ? on a building in a city.

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 25-08-2002 at 02:52

	24-08-2002 02:41									#158
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Keeping a record of ME. I'll be editing this post to keep a place for what I have.

code:

Epistan Plantation, E.O.Turn 2.  Admin: Epistax
Holdings: 
     Tile 009, N Termina, 1/0/1
     Tile 012, NW Termina, 1/0/0
Buildings:
     N/A
Stockpile:  0 food    0 shields    0 commerce
Production: 2 food    0 shields    1 commerce
Cash: $100 + $133 = $233  Debt: -$750 (Interest @ turn 15)

	24-08-2002 02:52									#159
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quote: Estate of GhengisFarb Turn #: 002 Holdings: Tile 004 Apolyton NW, Grassland Tile 015 Termina NE3, Jungle Tile 026 BHQ N, Mountain Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shields, 0 commerce Civman2000 Estate (currently renting) Stockpile: 2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce Cash: $200 Debt: -$1000 (10% interest, 15 turns remaining on grace period) Administered by: GhengisFarb --- Production this turn: 3 food, 1 shield, 0 commerce Civman2000 Estate (currently renting) Production this turn: 2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce --- Proposed Deals: Sell 5(of 5) food @ $44 each (New D:S = 26/48 = $58) Sell 2(of 2) commerce @ $46 (New D:S = 20/39 = $51) Hire 3 labor for Apolyton at $29 each (New D:S = 4/14 = $29)

Ghengis: Does your current cash value include your rent of 175 paid to me? If not, please change it. Also, please do not capitalize the c in my name.

I am using my $175 to pey back part of my loan.

civman's Land-sharing Services:
Turn #: 003
Holdings:
..Property:
....Tile 008 Apolyton NE1 grass mined roaded:
......Produces: 2 food, 1 shields, 1 commerce
......Stockpile: 0 food, 2 shields, 2 commerce
......Property owned by: civman2000
......Administered by: GhengisFarb
......Commodities produced owned by: GhengisFarb (pays $175 rent)
..Money:
....Cash: $0
....Debt:
......Loan 1 (govt): -$825 (10% interest, 13 turns remaining in grace period)

PS: Sorry about my PM box being full. It's actually empty but just acting strange

	24-08-2002 03:06									#160
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GF, not that it is that important but my 2 food were sold at $45, not $44.

	24-08-2002 03:22									#161
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quote: Originally posted by civman2000 PS: Sorry about my PM box being full. It's actually empty but just acting strange

For your PM box to be empty you have to delete all the PMs in your:
Inbox
Sent Messages Folder
Message Tracking Folder

When you send a PM it creates two PMs in your account, one in your Sent Messages and one in your Message Tracking.

quote: Originally posted by Franses GF, not that it is that important but my 2 food were sold at $45, not $44.

Thanks, fixed it.

	24-08-2002 04:21									#162
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i sold 5 commerce

edit: i also changed my prices to $45 before the transactions were made...

Last edited by jdd2007 on 24-08-2002 at 05:16

	24-08-2002 06:38									#163
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Ghengis, you messed up my debt up there somehow. I had 450, I paid 100, I now have 350.

And I am fairly sure PM tracking does not count toward your box, just sent items and any other folders

	24-08-2002 06:43									#164
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quote: Epistax sold 2 food at $44 Epistax sold 2 commerce at $44 ..........Total Income for Turn =$133 (Cash=$233 Debt=$750)

LOL

$44 * 4 = 133 now huh? hehe dun worry.
2 food @ 44, 1 commerce @ 45

	24-08-2002 07:37									#165
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GhengisFarb I will pay you $15 a turn to deal with my holdings.

	24-08-2002 09:03									#166
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quote: Originally posted by jdd2007 i sold 5 commerce edit: i also changed my prices to $45 before the transactions were made...

Gotcha, thanks.

quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Ghengis, you messed up my debt up there somehow. I had 450, I paid 100, I now have 350.

Fixed it.

quote: Originally posted by Epistax LOL $44 * 4 = 133 now huh? hehe dun worry. 2 food @ 44, 1 commerce @ 45

At least the money earned was correct.

Sorry about the mistakes, today's my wife's birthday and people keep calling, and she kept asking me questions.........

I must have got interrrupted over 20 times while I was typing that post and I couldn't always remember where I had been updating last.

If you don't want me to be Banker I'll understand.

quote: Originally posted by Sheik GhengisFarb I will pay you $15 a turn to deal with my holdings.

For how long?

	24-08-2002 09:10									#167
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No problem. I don't think you should have to list all that information, however. Maybe simply the orders that do not go through to due costs. Things in our benefit, we should look after.

Unless of course you are being hired by someone.

But that would simplify things. It would allow a bigger chance for cheaters, however.

	24-08-2002 09:21									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Epistax No problem. I don't think you should have to list all that information, however. Maybe simply the orders that do not go through to due costs. Things in our benefit, we should look after. Unless of course you are being hired by someone. But that would simplify things. It would allow a bigger chance for cheaters, however.

I posted it this time because with people making debt payments it kinda through off the final income for the turn. This way people could see where the final income amount came from.

I don't plan on posting it everytime, but I plan on keeping track in case a discrepency or court case comes up.

The first session was so much easier because it didn't have all of the debate in it. Really hope we can keep that in the other thread next time.

	24-08-2002 09:48									#169
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So how much did I get?

	24-08-2002 09:48									#170
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damn it!
IMPORTANT QUESTION:
Is there any way we can slow down the turns? Pleeeeeeease
I am really busy with school, work, and extra curricular activities right now and have not had but more than one chance a night (local) to check the forum. Now I dont want the whole game to be held up on my account, I was just wondering if they could be made alittle longer. I mean, how long was that last turn? I thought it was said they were gonna be 2 days long, about, unless this was changed without me seeing or my perception of time has been warped by my insane schedual. Would this be a possible change?
Thanks,

Kman

	24-08-2002 09:51									#171
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btw, what is the status of government land rentals? I didnt catch any posts about this since i last posted 3 pages ago... Any assistance on this matter would be most appreciated.

Kman

	24-08-2002 10:23									#172
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither So how much did I get?

??????

That wasn't a question, that's how much you got. I didn't have a price that you were trying to sell at.


Kramerman-
Word is the next session is tomorrow and will last 48 hours. There's now a $Mini-Game Directory thread to help locate active trading sessions.

Land Rentals are currently off. I don't think he understood what was intended with those lands and the ramifications of leasing them, namely that by leasing them it would increase the amount of excess product we were generating and lower the prices everyone was getting paid.

We need to come up with new commodity markets before we start producing on all the tiles.

Ideas:
BAKERY- converts Food to Bread, demand is half of food demand.

Need something to convert Commerce into......

	24-08-2002 10:27									#173
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quote: Kramerman- Word is the next session is tomorrow and will last 48 hours. There's now a $Mini-Game Directory thread to help locate active trading sessions.

ahh, excellent. Thank you for the info.

	24-08-2002 10:27									#174
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The market price?

	24-08-2002 10:40									#175
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither The market price?

You have to decide what price you want to sell your product at, that's the game part.

If you set the price too high, you don't sell anything. Set it too low and you don't make very much profit.

Example: You have two food. The starting demand:supply is
demand = 28 (amount of food market demands)
supply = 35 (amount currently available before nobles sell)
OR D:S = 28/35
28 divided by 35 is .80 or 80% we use that for the $ amount so the market will buy food if we offer it at a lower price that $80. Otherwise they'll buy it from the existing supply.

If you sell 2 food then D:S = 28/37 (the original supply of 35 + the 2 you just added to the supply)
The price now drops to $75. As more people sell more food into the market the price drops lower. You have to guess how much everyone's going to sell and set your price below the ending price or nobody buys your product.

Does that make any sense?

	24-08-2002 10:41									#176
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quote: Originally posted by Sheik GhengisFarb I will pay you $15 a turn to deal with my holdings.

Okay, for how long?

	24-08-2002 11:34									#177
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Does that make any sense?

Yes. So what do you do with an order like I gave?

I specified lot's o cash and even more cash.

No sale?

	24-08-2002 12:38									#178
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GF,

I think a mistake has been made in my total income in the first round. I sold 3 commodities at $65 and one at $50 for a total income of $245 (instead of the $295 you posted). Turn 2 resulted indeed in a total income of $47 resulting in total cash of $292 instead of the $342 posted.

A similar mistake has been made regarding Kloreep in turn 1. $298 should be $248

Where did jdd get his first $250 from? His income in turn 1 was 0 according to your overview after turn 1. Did I miss something?

You did not add the $53 paid by UnOrthOdox to your own account.

I see that you have a negative cash now. Does this mean that it is possible to lend more money? Do we have to pay interest over a negative amount?

Last edited by Franses on 24-08-2002 at 20:31

	24-08-2002 12:50									#179
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Yes. So what do you do with an order like I gave? I specified lot's o cash and even more cash. No sale?

My suggestion is to have the food sold at $40 (same price as jdd) and the commerce stockpiled. This only because the food is wasted and we all have to learn how to do this correctly. Next time an order like that by NYE will be regarded unvalid. Is this a fair proposal?

	24-08-2002 17:53									#180
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GF: I know. Until I pmed MarkG yesterday about the problem, all three were empty, and now there are just two things there.