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Capt Dizle
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All of the anit-American crap I am seeing here, including some from Americans makes me glad that I will die some day and not be here to witness the little intellectual integrity and moral timber left in the world slide into the abyss.
America spent the first half of the last century fighting to save Europe from German oppression and the last half holding back the Soviet iron curtain. Now we want to attack terror at its root and few if any posters here credit America as being any better than the Nazis, Imperial Japanese, and Soviet Communists.
Who was willing to fight communism in Asia. We did. Badly, but we did it to prevent the world from being overun with communist evil that would have stripped from every corner of the world every last vestige of freedom and dignity.
And, setting aside the respect and thanks that we are due, the posters here have no sense of history.
I have lived long enough to understand why we must have these regular and horric wars. People are of bad moral character.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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Who was willing to fight communism in Asia. We did. Badly, but we did it to prevent the world from being overun with communist evil that would have stripped from every corner of the world every last vestige of freedom and dignity. |
Oh, you mean Korea and Vietnam? The two countries where American presence was opposed by a majority of the people, even in the so called "democratic" sectors? Please. In both instances we were fighting to keep part of the country a pro-American dictatorship. If we left it up to the people, both would have probably gone for communism.
As much as that would have been a mistake, it is not our problem and none of our business.
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Capt Dizle
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Floyd, clearly, we were fighting to prevent the spread of communism and not to prop up dictatorships. And you know that so why do you want to attribute to America an evilness that has never existed?
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Boris Godunov
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First half of the century fighting German oppression? Huh? 
We spent from 1941-1945 doing that, which hardly constitutes half a Century. Oh, you're not one of those historical revisionists who asserts Germany was the evil villain in WWI as well, are you?
Otherwise...whine, whine, whine. If you can't handle people being critical of U.S. policy, past and present, without jumping the tired old "They hate America!" crap, then maybe you should just curl up and...well, you know.
Last edited by Boris Godunov on 30-08-2002 at 05:47
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:22
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Floyd, clearly, we were fighting to prevent the spread of communism and not to prop up dictatorships. |
Yes, we wanted to stop the spread of communism. Granted. But we also wanted pro-American governments. We fought in the name of freedom, but having pro-American puppets to use against the Soviet Union was more important to us than the concept of self-determination.
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And you know that so why do you want to attribute to America an evilness that has never existed? |
True, I could point out much better examples of evilness, such as the dropping of the atomic bombs, or the internment of Japanese Americans, or the draft, or fighting offensive wars. I'll discuss any of those - you pick.
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Capt Dizle
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There is plenty of revisionism here and thats for sure. I guess you folks will brand America as the evil villain of WW1 now.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:22
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No, no one was really the evil villain of WW1. The whole war was a mistake on everyone's part.
Certainly the US bears a responsibility to its own citizens for causing the death of over 120,000 Americans during the war, a war that could easily have been avoided.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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I can't say about vietnam, but as for the korean war, about the only people that didn't want us there were the communist sympathizers. Which, in the south, were a small minority. |
At the very least, they weren't happy with the dictators we propped up, who in many cases were former Japanese puppets, from my understanding.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:22
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Oh, you mean Korea and Vietnam? The two countries where American presence was opposed by a majority of the people, even in the so called "democratic" sectors? |
funny, i had this strange feeling that most koreans were glad that the us came in and crushed the communists...
if anything, most of the distaste among the hardliners is that america didn't do a thorough enough job of crushing communism...
and in the case of korea, the us didn't prop up former japanese puppets. you guys propped up corrupt, sneaky bastards who tended to be authoritarian or brought in by a coup d'etat. the only one who did any good for korea happened to be one of the meaner ones, park chung hee... who jumped start economic growth there.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:22
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Exactly - I can't imagine why jimmytrick would support propping up a dictator on one hand in order to run a war, ostenisbly for freedom, on the other.
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