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General

This is non historical simulation of XX century. Game starts in 1894. Each turn takes one month.

Map

I created this scenario using Earth [Real] map. Size 256x256

Units

There are a lot of new units and some new resources, see Info file for details.

All sea units have their movement rate doubled.

New Concepts

I have made some interesting changes to units and resources see Info file for details.

See the homepage of XX Century: Age of Wars

http://www.geocities.com/aeroprinz/Civ3/index.html

or just download

http://www.geocities.com/aeroprinz/Civ3/XXC1_3.zip

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Version 1.3 changes
- 35 new untis
- new concept of "National Engineering"
- new resources: Industry and Engineering
- new concept of "Mechanical Units"
- new Units of WW1 period
- new Units of WW2 period
- correction to city names spelling
- standard resources redistributed
- a lot of minor changes for balancing the game

Version 1.2 changes
- 22 Civilizations
- Changes in Cities
- More military units for some coutries
- Month time scale
- Reseach are much slower
- AI is tent to be more aggresive to each other


There is a proposal in place that has been sent to Firaxis and Atari. Suggestion is for them to include a CD called Best of the Net with Civilization III: Conquests to be released later this year.

Vote for the project!
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...&postid=1014460

Last edited by AeroPrinz on 30-05-2003 at 11:29

	11-09-2002 07:10									#2
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Didn't they change the editor to allow for as many as 31 civs?

	11-09-2002 21:21									#3
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Nice scenario. Good work

EDIT: As AeroPrinz has left us for unknown reasons, I have posted a NEW VERSION of this scenario myself. You'll find it at the bottom of PAGE THREE of this threat.

Last edited by Caliban on 15-01-2003 at 22:47

	14-09-2002 08:08									#4
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Yeah,they can add 32 civs but I think that the person has to create the leaderheads and stats from scratch (something I don't have the skills for

	21-09-2002 02:11									#5
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do you have any screen shots to look at?

	21-09-2002 21:42									#6
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good scenario , but germany should have coal near Düsseldorf

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also germany should be a monarchy

Last edited by tarpoon on 22-09-2002 at 18:50

	23-09-2002 00:30									#7
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Talking about Germany: Where is Hamburg? It was (is?) one of the most important harbours in Europe? And I agree to tarpoon's coal suggestion.

Sweden: Copenhagen is way to large! Denmark never was so powerful. Oh, and you could rename "Sweden" to "Scandinavia".

France/Russia: Why are there sources of rubber near Paris and Warszaw? This is an exotic resource. Maybe you add some to South America?

But still a great scenario!

	30-09-2002 23:38									#8
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BIG problem: There is no source of Aluminum on this map... at least I can't find any...

	01-10-2002 02:51									#9
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I can't seem to get over the fact that South America has no civs.Maybe you could put a large barbarian population there

	01-10-2002 10:24									#10
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Thank you all for your comments. I am going to release a new version soon. You will find a lot of problems fixed.

	01-10-2002 10:26									#11
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Could anybody move German fleet to Atlantic? or Swedesh ships always stood in the Sund?

	01-10-2002 22:14									#12
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yes, the AI blocks it, same with the street of gibralta

I had to use a lot of privateers to open the way to the oceans and the brits replaced thier ironclawd with a battleship . Could you increase the Movement points of the privateers?
It is a pain to bring them from thier east sea docks through the english channel to the street of gibralta at thier current speed.

Also you should add some resorces resources to skandinavia, oil for example.

Last edited by tarpoon on 01-10-2002 at 22:23

	02-10-2002 00:39									#13
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quote: Originally posted by AeroPrinz Could anybody move German fleet to Atlantic? or Swedesh ships always stood in the Sund?

Blocades in Gibraltar and the Skaggerag (sp?) are realistic... I like that and I don't really need a German fleet in the Atlantic ocean as my expansion targets Russia...

Hey, AeroPrinz, I hope your will not include leader pics or new unit graphics into your new version as the download size of this scenario could get troublesome to me...

	02-10-2002 11:36									#14
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In reality Germans had a kill channel which let them to move their fleet from Baltic to the Ocean. I am not sure how to implement this important feature here.

About the leader heads, and new units. I think every civ in this scenario must had a uniq types of units, but right now I do not have enough time to make them. The same with leader heads. I think this will make the scenario much more enjoyable. But in downloading section I will put separate files for the scenario and for the additional graphics.

	02-10-2002 23:08									#15
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quote: Originally posted by AeroPrinz In reality Germans had a kill channel which let them to move their fleet from Baltic to the Ocean. I am not sure how to implement this important feature here.

Yep, true. If you plan to place Hamburg on this map, you could make it a link between the Baltic and the sea around England.
But in this case you'd have to place Copenhagen further north... think about it...

	02-10-2002 23:21									#16
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I found a bug: some cities start with a population over 12 but don't have hospitals, so they don't grow and you can't build hospitals if you don't starve them down to 12.

	03-10-2002 10:29									#17
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Exactly which cities?

	03-10-2002 19:00									#18
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The only city german effected are Berlin and Munic I think, most starved under 12 anyway, due to pollution.

Last edited by tarpoon on 03-10-2002 at 19:14

	03-10-2002 23:09									#19
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I seem to be having problems downloading the zip file for all of the scenario's I've tried to check out. I end up getting empty zip files. Hopefully I'm just goofing up something easy, but any suggestions of what that is would be appreciated.

Thanks

	04-10-2002 10:14									#20
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What program are you using for unzip?

	04-10-2002 21:30									#21
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quote: Originally posted by AeroPrinz Exactly which cities?

I suppose all cities that start with size 13 or higher and have no hospital...

Btw, if your cities starve by pollution, wouldn't it be better to let them shrink by creating workers that clear this pollution??

	05-10-2002 03:16									#22
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Na, turns takes so long I always forget these things, also I'm taking enough workers from my neighbours

	05-10-2002 10:35									#23
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I will do something about it.

	05-10-2002 23:20									#24
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quote: Originally posted by tarpoon Na, turns takes so long I always forget these things, also I'm taking enough workers from my neighbours

I know that. Calculating the AI turn almost takes 1 hour on my comp. ONE HOUR!!!

	06-10-2002 10:06									#25
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What processor do you use?

	06-10-2002 19:24									#26
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at the beginning the turns took about 5 minutes on my Athlon XP 1800, now they take about 15 minutes, cause Japan and Britian declared war on each other and a lot of units are being moved around.

	06-10-2002 22:14									#27
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You really want to know which kind of processor I use??

Okay, be prepared for a... P2 350 Mhz!

As I got no money for up-to-date hardware, just ignore my complaints!

Btw, Britain and Japan also declared war on each other in my game. Is there some sort of reason??

	07-10-2002 10:25									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Caliban Btw, Britain and Japan also declared war on each other in my game. Is there some sort of reason??

No reason. In my game they both fight against USA.

	07-10-2002 10:29									#29
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quote: Originally posted by tarpoon at the beginning the turns took about 5 minutes on my Athlon XP 1800, now they take about 15 minutes, cause Japan and Britian declared war on each other and a lot of units are being moved around.

I have PIV 1.4Ghz with RIMM memory, and it takes about 20-30 sec in the beggining and later rise up to 9-10 minutes.

	08-10-2002 23:29									#30
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quote: Originally posted by AeroPrinz I have PIV 1.4Ghz with RIMM memory, and it takes about 20-30 sec in the beggining and later rise up to 9-10 minutes.

Maybe I should really buy a new one...

Hey, Aero, when does the next version come??