06-09-2002 15:14									#91
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I haven't voiced myself yet as I have been away, but this is more than a parody now. "The Chaplin Poly Banner Farce."

First of all the Canadians are acting like the formula would be Chaplin = Hitler. Apparently only me, aaglo, KX and Markos seem to understand the clue with The Dictator and Chaplin in general. I assume you also think that Modern Times was a hoax and just a cheap comedy. The difference seems to be that Canadians that have been taught to fear fascism like hell and the Dutch have their bad memories left because of the occupation by the Reich, very much dislike the banner and the movie, The Dictator. While the supporters have a different background and view to this issue. IMO The Dictator movie was a very strong expression about what Chaplin wanted to say about fascism. And it isn't really a matter of linking all the war dead with a simple banner and a movie. Don't you have any limits? BTW, those comrade remarks don't fit into this case at all, unless you're now trying to make your own parody.

Conclusion; I do like the banner as it's sarcastic, but as several Apolytoners have sworn an oath to get rid of the banner at any cost, I assume it's better not to use it as there would only be more flaming.

CS,

I think you should calm down. Your anti-nazism policies are now set quite high compared to the situation. And Chaplin actually tries to look like a shabby "Hitler" as he usual does in his movies.

	06-09-2002 15:18									#92
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Run it for all I care. I won't see it.

Erm, don't be surprised if it does not encourage increased sales. See this and the first thread for justification of this statement.

	06-09-2002 15:55									#93
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The way i see is that the banner is making fun of hitler not the jews or anyone else killed during the war so i say go ahead and put it up...

	06-09-2002 16:03									#94
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You could change the "Buy Apolyton" into:

One Reich! One Fuhrer! One Store!

But you should make a Churchill one too. That guy had enough quotes, so you can easily find one to paraphrase.

	06-09-2002 16:07									#95
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quote: But you should make a Churchill one too

wouldnt we offend the families of the british who were killed in ww2?

	06-09-2002 16:24									#96
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By the way your banner offends me because the Germans burnt Lapland while retreating from finland so i think you should definitely put the banner up.. Then i can start whining about it.

	06-09-2002 16:25									#97
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IMO it's not offensive (but it's not funny either)

	06-09-2002 16:26									#98
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always at your service godraz

	06-09-2002 16:33									#99
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quote: MarkG: it's a picture from the movie, therefore it retains the character and all the messages of the movie

if you know the movie...............

quote: CyberShy: all you want is profit.

quote: MarkG: if that was the case i would have stop doing this years ago

Well, the banner is a commercial banner.
I know that you don't run this site for the profit.
But the banner has a comercial purpose. I would say, never use hitler for that. Not in any way.

	06-09-2002 16:35									#100
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I find it quite ironic that the German tourists are rushing to Lapland these days =) but hey i dont blame them for what their grandfathers did...

	06-09-2002 16:35									#101
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Even if it doesn't offend anyone, it's just kinda dumb anyway. Sorry!

	06-09-2002 16:37									#102
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quote: if you know the movie

so the carrier of a message is responsible for the perception of it by ignorant(on the issue) people?

	06-09-2002 16:40									#103
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well its nothing astonishing but its okay for a banner which usually arent any funnier that this one...

	06-09-2002 16:42									#104
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye Even if it doesn't offend anyone, it's just kinda dumb anyway. Sorry!

no problem, at least you dont think i'm a moron who doesnt care if he offends a few million jews...

	06-09-2002 16:46									#105
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Is this a good place for few jewish jokes? hmm.. maybe some other time.

	06-09-2002 16:49									#106
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its your site , run whatever adds you like.

	06-09-2002 16:51									#107
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what? i have power on this site? really?!?

	06-09-2002 16:53									#108
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG what? i have power on this site? really?!?

sorry you are right, you will have to gets Mings ok first

	06-09-2002 17:08									#109
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I have to agree with NYE and the other critics: this banner will only affect sales adversely.

The difference between bad taste and genious is very thin, and in this case I regard the banner as only bad taste. The reference to Chaplin and "The Dictator" is far too vague, which means people will just see Hitler in the pic.

	06-09-2002 17:10									#110
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i do have a warning though!

	06-09-2002 17:12									#111
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Is it just me, or do the number of arguments against this banner tell me, maybe not such a good idea?

	06-09-2002 17:14									#112
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It'd be better if you dressed up as hitler yourself, Markos.... or even better, got Ming to.

	06-09-2002 17:14									#113
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what if it's animated, and the first frame says "warning: charlie chaplin image ahead" ?

	06-09-2002 17:16									#114
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG what if it's animated, and the first frame says "warning: charlie chaplin image ahead" ?

I hope this is simulated stupidity, because if it's the real thing I'm worried...
If you ask for an opinion and don't like it, either ignore the opinion and go ahead or take it into account. There's very little point arguing over it.

	06-09-2002 17:17									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Hurricane I have to agree with NYE and the other critics: this banner will only affect sales adversely. The difference between bad taste and genious is very thin, and in this case I regard the banner as only bad taste. The reference to Chaplin and "The Dictator" is far too vague, which means people will just see Hitler in the pic.

Hmm.. i allways tought that there was something between genious and bad taste you know like between black and white is grey.

	06-09-2002 17:19									#116
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Random Pratchett quote: (can't resist)

"There's a fine line between genius and madness."
"Well he's fallen off it then."

	06-09-2002 17:20									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Clear Skies I hope this is simulated stupidity, because if it's the real thing I'm worried...

it's simulated sarcasm
sorry if it fails

quote: If you ask for an opinion and don't like it, either ignore the opinion and go ahead or take it into account. There's very little point arguing over it.

hmm discussions are worthless then???

	06-09-2002 17:24									#118
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG it's simulated sarcasm sorry if it fails hmm discussions are worthless then???

Sarcasm doesn't work well over the Net...we need a smiley for it.
And to be honest this don't sound much like no discussion to me. The poll helps, but mostly it's you failing to accept an opinion...

	06-09-2002 17:26									#119
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Perhaps a banner with MarkG fishing

	06-09-2002 17:27									#120
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Or something else along the 'if you don't buy from Apolyton' theme but with a reversal...like 'every time you buya product from the Apolyton Store we injure Christine Hamilton a little more...'