06-09-2002 17:30									#121
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quote: it's you failing to accept an opinion...

what opinion? the one based on the ignorance of the reference to the movie or of what the movie is about?

	06-09-2002 17:34									#122
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG what opinion? the one based on the ignorance of the reference to the movie or of what the movie is about?

Ignorance isn't the issue, it's the immediate reaction of the viewer to the banner. You don't get the opportunity to educate them before they see it...
Maybe a better option would've been a banner competition...

	06-09-2002 17:40									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Godraz Hmm.. i allways tought that there was something between genious and bad taste you know like between black and white is grey.

No, that is mainstream.

By the way, did you guys hear that Siemens was about to launch a range of gas ovens with the brand "Zyklon", but dumped the idea after protests from jews.

What were they thinking?

	06-09-2002 17:52									#124
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I say NAY...

Why don't you put a banner with a Turkish Sultan on Markos

	06-09-2002 17:53									#125
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i think some other sneaker company also had that brand name for their shoes.

now, siemens was just dumb about that. gas ovens? oy.

	06-09-2002 18:41									#126
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Interesting. 5 pages of responses yet only 25 votes.

MarkG, are you trying to test perceptions or increase sales?

There's a show-biz saying that goes, "Tragedy plus time equals comedy." I find it interesting that we can joke about Jim Jones/KoolAid and John Wayne Gacy, but light-hearted references to the Holocaust seem forever out of bounds.

As I stand firmly with freedom of expression, I would suggest that the subject banner is acceptable if the site owners think it is.

	06-09-2002 18:51									#127
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Since I know that's Charlie... I wound't mind it.



If you really want to make it funny, put a banana in his hand.

	06-09-2002 19:00									#128
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG it's not someone dressed up as hitler, it's someone ridiculling hitler

Very few of these culturally challenged posters have ever seen "The Great Dictator"; I have not seen a colorized version, but maybe that still was colorized separatly

	06-09-2002 19:08									#129
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My opinion is no. Whole heartedly no.

The banner isn't in a context of parody. It's in a context of advertising. Chaplin had a political agenda for that film. You don't.

	06-09-2002 19:24									#130
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I still think the UBL eating dog was better.

	06-09-2002 19:55									#131
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defibtely run it. it's very funny! and i'd advice not to even put the warning that is not hitler. it's so obvious it's chaplin, but some people might not know it.

	06-09-2002 20:20									#132
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Well, Ive seen the movie, and like it. But when so many people have problems with the banner, it would probably wiser not to use it...

	06-09-2002 20:24									#133
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i didnt read the thread. just expresses my opinion. so whatever the masses want its ok

	06-09-2002 21:28									#134
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quote: The banner isn't in a context of parody. It's in a context of advertising. Chaplin had a political agenda for that film. You don't.

i'm using chaplin's parody of nazism to make an analogous statement about today's advertising, while at the same time of course promoting our store

if in the past we had oppressive goverments telling people what to do, today we have the companies doing the same thing through mass media and advertising

the idea of the banner is really simple....

	06-09-2002 21:30									#135
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I voted banana, because I don't see myself buying anything from the store, regardless of this, or any other, banner.

-Arrian

ps Speaking of Mel Brooks (several pages ago), every time I see History of the World, Part I I can't help but giggle (yes, giggle) uncontrolably at the end, during the "previews" of Part II, when they show "Hitler... on ice!" followed by "Jeeeeeeeewwwwwwsssss in Space!" Mel Brooks kills me.

	06-09-2002 21:31									#136
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Should I start talking about Poly as a Greek-Canadian website for liberals?

	06-09-2002 21:32									#137
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quote: MarkG, are you trying to test perceptions or increase sales?

if you would read the first thread i made yesterday, you would realise that it's the first

but i do find the redish color of it to be pretty attracting, and i'd prefer to have chaplin on a banner than bush

	06-09-2002 21:36									#138
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i won't mind, but I know many will

	06-09-2002 21:52									#139
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I find this banner hilarious, but I advise against running it. Although Apolyton is community, it's not tight-knit enough for everyone to appreciate the humour fully.

P.S. Use a parody of Stalin instead. I don't really care that he killed oodles of my relatives or that the fact that there are only 3 million Latvians on our planet is because of him; people won't have the same kneejerk reaction to that bastard.

Last edited by St Leo on 06-09-2002 at 21:58

	06-09-2002 22:02									#140
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG i'm using chaplin's parody of nazism to make an analogous statement about today's advertising, while at the same time of course promoting our store if in the past we had oppressive goverments telling people what to do, today we have the companies doing the same thing through mass media and advertising the idea of the banner is really simple....

I see. Understood. I still don't like the banner.

	07-09-2002 04:39									#141
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The only funny part of the add was the warning.


I don't care, actually, either way.

All I have to say is:


HAIL TO THE KING BABY!!!!

	07-09-2002 04:43									#142
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Oh, one other thing, why in hell wasn't this thread in the A/C forum?

At least we'd get a +1 out of it.

	07-09-2002 04:47									#143
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I don't really care, but I thought I'd post to point out that the quote in MarkG's signature is exactly what led to my static title of Prince.

	07-09-2002 04:52									#144
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Well, I'll be happy at King, if I can find a good pic of Ash.

	07-09-2002 05:06									#145
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I saw the movie. I think it's a bad idea.

	07-09-2002 05:12									#146
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Markos:

I voted "no" in regards to the ad, but why don't you run it anyway? Sometimes the only way you can learn right from wrong is by getting burned in the process.

Gatekeeper

	07-09-2002 05:17									#147
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You'd probably offend more people than you'd care to offend.

Personally, I don't find the banner any more distasteful than The Producers or other satire on Hitler. As Brooks says, the best way to diffuse the power of Hitler is by laughing at the one-testicled shithead.

As for the film, it is brilliant and still stands as a powerful statement agains fascism. Don't you remember his speech at the end? I'm seriously perplexed at how people could say the film is now somehow offensive, it certainly isn't.

	07-09-2002 05:20									#148
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It's offensive to use someone dressed up as Hitler telling you to buy from Apolyton.

It's not offensive when it's intended as a statement against fascism.

Lots of people have relatives that died because of Hitler, and there is NO POINT to having someone dressed up as him saying "Buy Apolyton!". It's not even FUNNY out of context like this.

It's just a really, really dumb idea. It's another reason why I don't buy from the Apolyton store actually, I can't stand the stupid little ads.

	07-09-2002 05:23									#149
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So is it offensive to have a man dressed up as Hitler, singing and dancing and acting like a buffoon, in order to sell $100+ tickets to a Broadway show?

	07-09-2002 05:25									#150
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I'm actually shocked that there are 19 "yes" votes to use the banner. WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE THINKING?!?

This banner is in VERY poor taste. Plain and simple as that.