11-09-2004 22:02									#1321
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what happened

	12-09-2004 00:00									#1322
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I got a job in Hamburg from one day to the other (Zivildienst, civil service), and just a few days afterwards, I went on holiday. The job started the day after I returned, so I didn't have the chance to tell you guys.
I just noticed I forgot to take my Civ2 CD with me, so I won't be able to play till 27th September

	12-09-2004 02:14									#1323
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Got crack?

	12-09-2004 17:13									#1324
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow Got crack?

where can I find the No-CD patch? I'm getting pretty sick of having to get it in the player all the time (now that I can burn cd's )

	14-09-2004 13:31									#1325
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for Minos

	16-09-2004 01:04									#1326
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Sorry, some more problems with my connection.
I should be able to play my turn tomorrow.

	16-09-2004 06:46									#1327
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It must be this PBEM game is cursed.

	17-09-2004 02:18									#1328
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow It must be this PBEM game is cursed.

No, sir!

I can tell you what happens: my son told me he borrowed my computer in order to improve performance and I have had a lot of problems since he started "improving"

Mr Sparrowhawk, please play my turn!

	17-09-2004 03:44									#1329
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format son:\

	17-09-2004 04:21									#1330
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Played as requested!
(and PM about to be sent telling you of a couple decisions I was forced to make )

Onward to Straybow!

* Sparrowhawk

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	18-09-2004 19:58									#1331
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A caravan from Assyria found its way to Ancyra. We see what great prosperity comes from such labors. Our envoys wander in foreign lands, seeking trading partners for fine timbers and other wondrous goods of the motherland.

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	21-09-2004 04:39									#1332
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First I should post happenings of year 2320:
A group of farmers (founded lately forsaken in the desert) was escorted by
a troop of skirmiskers. Suddenly a group of red cannibals appeared, evidently with a good appetite. But our brave skirmishers defeated them, although many soldiers were injured severely.

	21-09-2004 04:41									#1333
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We are preparing colonization of a small island that we named Ceylon.

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	21-09-2004 17:08									#1334
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The banner of King Harsu is now flying on the island of Iatana (the ancient Assyrian name for Cyprus). A settlement was build, immigrants ferried over with plenty supplies and materials to begin building a magnificent harbour. Soon the islanders will be able to gather much needed fish, and population will boom.


Assyria will welcome Hittite traders, and we send word to King Straybow II that timber from his lands are wanted in certain cities in our realm.

Harsu, in the 60th year of his reign, has picked his heir. By tradition, a grandson will take his seat after the Gods have taken our King among their midst. Didanu, prince of Assyria, has taken residence within the walls of the Inner Palace where he will receive his final teachings.

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	22-09-2004 00:50									#1335
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Concerning the game speed I suggest a following procedure:

After one 72 hour period ends, the next one starts to tick. It is on responsibility of next player if he wants to wait more or not. Anyway his 72-hour limit goes.
If you have problems the limit may be extented but only if you notify in advance.
Please after your turn notify next player by e-mail or PM immediately.

	22-09-2004 06:47									#1336
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I'm sure we can do much better now that vacation season is over.

Of course, computer screw-up season is year-around…

	24-09-2004 10:08									#1337
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Speaking of game speed, this idiot messed up 2 turns back but didn't notice until now. I officially blame the lengthy delays, not my own lack of intelligence etc.

I was to use CivDip to restore the WoW production lost due to Asshur's construction of HG. It didn't happen that way. I'd swear I did it, but that memory must be eidetic.

As I explained to my ally Minos, I will report to The Institute for 6 weeks penitential cleaning of library floors with a toothbrush. At that time I will pass the Toothbrush of Shame to the loser of the US Presidential election.

Is there a way I can fix it now? 67 shields lost and an unnecessary unit built (which I haven't actually done anything with).

	24-09-2004 11:54									#1338
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow Speaking of game speed, this idiot messed up 2 turns back but didn't notice until now. I officially blame the lengthy delays, not my own lack of intelligence etc. I was to use CivDip to restore the WoW production lost due to Asshur's construction of HG. It didn't happen that way. I'd swear I did it, but that memory must be eidetic. As I explained to my ally Minos, I will report to The Institute for 6 weeks penitential cleaning of library floors with a toothbrush. At that time I will pass the Toothbrush of Shame to the loser of the US Presidential election. Is there a way I can fix it now? 67 shields lost and an unnecessary unit built (which I haven't actually done anything with).

There is no regular way to fix this. You're stuck with the current situation.

	24-09-2004 19:05									#1339
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New 72 hours period starts, Sparrowhawk is asked for execution!
I dislike to play against AI in place of human opponents, or with freezed humans, but we must speed up...

On other side...

quote: Originally posted by Straybow Is there a way I can fix it now? 67 shields lost and an unnecessary unit built (which I haven't actually done anything with).

I suggest to do something with this. It is probably not solved in PBEMs regularly, but the Demographics window problem wasn't solved too in the past. BTW ... Straybow should report it immediately ... but I prefer tough and not handicapped opponents.

I think there are two ways
1) To load the game in SP mode, to go to scenario menu (it allows the cheat menu too), change things, save, rename .sav to .net. I tried it with my 2910 save and it works (with my civ).
But I noticed this way password(s) are erased (I tried to open Egypt - no password is asked for. I hope Kull will forgive me, I got absolutely no info about his civ).
To be sure production of other civs is not corrupted - Straybow, could you try the procedure with your 2910 save, then send it to me? I will examine my civ. Just a test, I don't intend to replay this turn.

2) I can hexedit the save, respectively I can write I program that will find Straybow's city and make changes. This should be perfectly safe but more laborious for me.

	24-09-2004 21:25									#1340
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker But I noticed this way password(s) are erased (I tried to open Egypt - no password is asked for. I hope Kull will forgive me, I got absolutely no info about his civ).

I must strongly object to this kind of behaviour

	24-09-2004 21:32									#1341
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker I suggest to do something with this. It is probably not solved in PBEMs regularly, but the Demographics window problem wasn't solved too in the past. BTW ... Straybow should report it immediately ... but I prefer tough and not handicapped opponents. 2) I can hexedit the save, respectively I can write I program that will find Straybow's city and make changes. This should be perfectly safe but more laborious for me.

I must say that indeed Straybow is kinda late with this .

As far as I'm conceirned, Straybow had his chance to restore production, but failed. Too bad.
While I don't care so much for the specific issue, there is the matter of setting a presedent (sp?). If we allow for this change back, where will it end? I can think of many instances where a hexedit could be wanted.

My vote is to keep it as it is now.

	24-09-2004 22:50									#1342
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Here is the save with the Contorl N for Kull (who has forwarded me his password now obviously )

Onward to Stephan and the Persians...makes me think maybe I should be pro-active and post another save with his turn also Control N.....but hopefully he shows up in the next 3 days

* Sparrowhawk

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	24-09-2004 22:56									#1343
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Sorry guys, my computer has crashed again (third time in the past few months), which means my email has been - and remains - out of commission. I'll try and play it today using a different machine.

	24-09-2004 23:06									#1344
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I don't know what happened to Straybow exactly, so I can't compare well, but we had some kind of precedent when we agreed we would replay the F11 messes... but it is true they were repaired within one year (or 10 years)

Anyway I think such actions shouldn't be subject of voting but should require a consensus.

	24-09-2004 23:21									#1345
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quote: Originally posted by Kull Sorry guys, my computer has crashed again (third time in the past few months), which means my email has been - and remains - out of commission. I'll try and play it today using a different machine.

quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk Here is the save with the Contorl N for Kull (who has forwarded me his password now obviously ) Onward to Stephan and the Persians...makes me think maybe I should be pro-active and post another save with his turn also Control N.....but hopefully he shows up in the next 3 days * Sparrowhawk

quote: Originally posted by Stefan Härtel I just noticed I forgot to take my Civ2 CD with me, so I won't be able to play till 27th September

considering all this, I propose that Kull has time untill Stephans planned return to post his save.
I haven't seen much of Stephan lately, but I sure hope he will show up.
I'll try e-mailing him in any case.

What a marvelous thing it is one CAN play without the disk, but perhaps Stephan hinted at being in a place where he couldn't play because he hasn't got the disk to install the game on a puter.


I sincerely hope that all technical issues for the various players will be fixed, and that now summer holiday season is over other delays will be something of the past as well.
This game is more or less the last one running at Apolython, and I would surely hate to see this forum die.

, Germanos

	24-09-2004 23:49									#1346
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After many weeks alone in the endless heaving waters of the Great Northern Sea, sailors aboard the waterlogged papyrus craft spotted hills in the distance, and, wonder-of-wonders, strange tiered buildings supported by bright red columns. The Egyptians can only guess as to who these strange folk might be!

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	24-09-2004 23:52									#1347
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P.S. My computer (and thus email) has been down since 9/17 and I have no idea when I'll be able to get things running again. Hence those who seek to communicate with Pharoah are advised to use the PM system.

	25-09-2004 00:20									#1348
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quote: Originally posted by Kull P.S. My computer (and thus email) has been down since 9/17 and I have no idea when I'll be able to get things running again. Hence those who seek to communicate with Pharoah are advised to use the PM system.

will do

	25-09-2004 03:37									#1349
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Academically I can see one immediate problem with the load SP and save as scenario method: it will reset the turn counter (thus oedo years) and probably the number of techs researched, too. It would still require a hexedit to restore those.

Anyway, I screwed up and it's too late to fix; only unanimous agreement should override that and Germanos does not agree.

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	25-09-2004 04:14									#1350
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I would be OK from this point of view: both turn counter and number of techs look unchanged here.