09-09-2002 09:34									#1
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From the Globe and Mail:
"A vast majority of Canadians believes the United States bears at least some responsibility for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks because of U.S. policies in the Middle East and around the globe, according to a Globe and Mail/CTV poll."

"In the Ipsos-Reid survey -- which polled 1,000 Canadians last week -- 69 per cent of respondents said the U.S. shares some of the responsibility for the attacks, while 15 per cent said all of the responsibility sits on American shoulders."

"I think this is Canadians saying, 'You are bound to get stung when you stick your hand in the hornets' nest looking for honey,' " [John Wright, vice-president of Ipsos-Reid] said. "But I don't think this is evidence of people saying they deserved what they got at all."

	09-09-2002 09:34									#2
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duh

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quote: duh

My sentiments exactly.

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What percentage can name the "policy" exactly, that made them responcible?

Answer is none, Bin Laden's radical Islam blames the west for everything, and he interprets the Koran as saying "do not accept an unbeliever, destroy him".

99% of New Yorkers think that anyone who believes the US was responcible for the worst terror attack on it's self in history are idiots.

	09-09-2002 09:40									#5
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I think Asher gave the only logical response.

Question: Does my use of logical mean that I will start talking like Fez? As in, logical is correct and ILLOGICAL IS BAD!

	09-09-2002 09:40									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 What percentage can name the "policy" exactly, that made them responcible?

Many people could list them...

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And be 100% wrong Glonky, this wasn't about ANYTHING the US did, it's about a jihad by a little man that is using religion as a plank for murder.

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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 And be 100% wrong Glonky, this wasn't about ANYTHING the US did, it's about a jihad by a little man that is using religion as a plank for murder.

Yes, but surely he had a reason for hating, say, the US instead of, say, China?

	09-09-2002 09:45									#9
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because we are number one right now

if China was, they would hate China most

Jon Miller

	09-09-2002 09:45									#10
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just because there is a reason (or even if we could do soemthing abour that reason), does not mean that we are to blame

at least by the dictionary I use

Jon Miller

	09-09-2002 09:45									#11
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The US has had some international policies that screw with other people, that's one of the reasons why the US is partially to blame for 9-11...deal with it

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller just because there is a reason (or even if we could do soemthing abour that reason), does not mean that we are to blame at least by the dictionary I use Jon Miller

key word is partially jonnyboy

	09-09-2002 09:47									#13
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not even partially

there is a cause and effect thing going here, but that does not mean that any blame falls on us

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller not even partially there is a cause and effect thing going here, but that does not mean that any blame falls on us Jon Miller

yes jon, the US is perfectly innocent

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Yes, but surely he had a reason for hating, say, the US instead of, say, China?

Actually, China is on his "hit" list.

They reprinted an interview (given in 99) in the sunday paper, he mentions not just the west (or USA), but ALL non-Muslim states as the enemy, that will be brought down.

Thinking that some policy made this guy the way he is, is not correct.

He is a believer in world Jihad, in his mind, there are three kinds of people:

Muslims
Those to be converted
Those to be killed

No other category (these are his STATED ideas, long before 9/11)

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Can you link to that reprint, Chris?

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quote: Originally posted by Asher yes jon, the US is perfectly innocent

no

but it is not to blame

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Yes, but surely he had a reason for hating, say, the US instead of, say, China?

China is already dealing with Islamic terrorism in thier attempt to deal with the Xinjiang province.

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It is well known that the hard-line islamicsts hate China, because China occupies occupies and controls lands in its west that are inhabited by Moslems and China rules them by means other than Sharia.

The proof in their desire can be found in the Koran itself and it's commands to convert the nonbelivers by the sword.

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller no but it is not to blame Jon Miller

Partially. Do you not understand this word or what?

The US has ****ed around with politics in just about every country out there, especially in the middle east, and then a disgruntled terrorist starts crying and slamming planes into your building ranting about US policies, and you don't think those policies had anything to do with them attacking you instead of Canada or China?

Even if you are the most powerful (or number one as you say), I'm pretty sure most of the terrorists wouldn't care at all what you did. They're pissed off because you mess with their politics.

The US is not entirely to blame for it (Osama's a terrorist, what else can be said?), but it's not totally innocent -- it's partially to blame.

Blind yourself all you want, ignorance is bliss...

	09-09-2002 09:56									#21
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It was in the NY Post, they have a web site, they may have it, let me see...

http://www.nypost.com/

The article was called "My meeting with Osama", it's an excerpt form a book.

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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi The proof in their desire can be found in the Koran itself and it's commands to convert the nonbelivers by the sword.

9-11 isn't about converting people though, it was about "punishing" the US and trying to get them to stop meddling around with other countries.

Haven't you guys ever seen the videos where he rants?

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quote: Originally posted by Asher 9-11 isn't about converting people though, it was about "punishing" the US and trying to get them to stop meddling around with other countries. Haven't you guys ever seen the videos where he rants?

Yes, but I and the US doesn't take policy guidence from a terrorist, extremist, ego maniac.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Partially. Do you not understand this word or what?

Do you understand the word blame?

I agree there is a reason, I just do not think that the US has any fault.

Jon Miller

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You misunderstand me Ashur, I'm trying to say that NO MATTER WHAT the west's policy, he would hate it and try to destroy it.

It's his life's work, the thing he most believes in.

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quote: Originally posted by Kyle Yes, but I and the US doesn't take policy guidence from a terrorist, extremist, ego maniac.

I never said it'd work, in fact it's backfired and now the US is preparing to invade Iraq.

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This just proves what I've suspected all along. The US now has all the cause it needs to invade canada.

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Why invade?

Your our b1tch already.

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller Do you understand the word blame? I agree there is a reason, I just do not think that the US has any fault. Jon Miller

Blame is not a black and white issue...

	09-09-2002 10:03									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Why invade? Your our b1tch already.

http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/09/05/iraq_pm020905