09-09-2002 10:19									#2
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Below is a bug you can use as an example.

	09-09-2002 10:24									#3
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Description:

When owners of different language versions, for example one with the German version and one with the English version, play in the same PBEM game it is common that messages in the one language (e.g. German) pass untranslated to the owner of the other language (English) rendering those messages unreadable to the latter. That usually happens in diplomacy related , wonder related, age transition or generally global messages but messages related to units or city improvements in some rare instances can migrate to the other side.

Steps to Repro:

1. As the owner of the German version start the construction of a wonder.
2. Save your turn and send it to the next player.
3. As the owner of the English version open your turn and read the wonder related message.
4. Notice that the message is written in German

Comments:

This does not happen always but most of the times.

Fix/Work around:

Buy an English version or download the English txt files from an owner of an English version and copy-paste them into your installation folder. The latter is theoretical as it has not been tested before.

Screenshots:

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	09-09-2002 10:24									#4
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This is the famous "Rush Buy" bug widely known initially among the GL members and introduced later to the PBEM community by Quinns that applies to both PBEM and Internet modes:

quote: Originally posted by quinns There is a bug in CTP, that some of you may already know about, that gives someone "in the know" a substantial advantage in Call to Power. It is the "Rush-Buy/Remove From Queue Trick" that lets you rush buy units for one-third their cost. For example (at Deity level), you can buy a Settler (normal rush buy cost = 3240) for the price of a Granary (rush buy cost = 1080). And you can buy a Tank (normal rush buy cost 12000) for the price of a Factory (rush buy cost = 4000). As well as many, many other examples. Here's how you do it: (Using the Settler for Granary example) 1. From your Build Queue, add a Granary. 2. Add a Settler below the Granary in your Build Queue. 3. Go to your Build screen and "Rush Ruy" the Granary. (Notice the drop of 1080 gold from your gold reserve.) 4. Go back to your Build Queue and REMOVE THE GRANARY FROM THE QUEUE. 5. Hit End. 6. Notice that you have built a Settler for 1080 gold. Normally this Settler would have cost you 3240 if you were to rush buy it normally. (You can use this "trick" over and over without limit.)

	09-09-2002 11:36									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Keygen This is the famous "Rush Buy" bug widely known initially among the GL members and introduced later to the PBEM community by Quinns that applies to both PBEM and Internet modes:

Isn't this particular trick considered illegal in PBEM? I certainly hope so, because i have never used it. Personally, i don't care what rules are used, as long as everyone can use them so we all play on a level playing field. Tell me i haven't been missing out on a great tactic?!

	09-09-2002 13:48									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Lung Isn't this particular trick considered illegal in PBEM? I certainly hope so, because i have never used it. Personally, i don't care what rules are used, as long as everyone can use them so we all play on a level playing field. Tell me i haven't been missing out on a great tactic?!

It is indeed considered illegal. Wouldn't it be great if someone could figure out a way of eliminating it?

	09-09-2002 13:56									#7
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No unless it was only in thepbem games

	09-09-2002 21:42									#8
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The "Rush Buy" bug has been generally banned from our community for both modes but I say if all participants agree to use it in a specific game they are free to do so. I wouldn't recemmend it though.

The only way to find if this bug has been exploited in a game you need a moderator to track the turns, thus saves of each turn must be available

	09-09-2002 21:43									#9
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For more details regarding cheats and exploits read the two threads posted in the related threads in the first post.

	10-09-2002 13:19									#10
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Keygen, how can the rush buy bug be spotted by a moderator?

	10-09-2002 15:09									#11
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By comparing the last and the previous turn.

	10-09-2002 21:24									#12
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ok Keygen i have a report.


PBEM BUG REPORT


I have run in to this a few times where units of other civs. appear to be one place but are actually in another spot all together. i have been told that this also happens in internet play though i have never experienced this in internet play. i have though in PBEM i am not sure how this happens so i cant duplicate it, has anyone else had this problem.

	11-09-2002 00:22									#13
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quote: Originally posted by MILAMBER ok Keygen i have a report. PBEM BUG REPORT I have run in to this a few times where units of other civs. appear to be one place but are actually in another spot all together. i have been told that this also happens in internet play though i have never experienced this in internet play. i have though in PBEM i am not sure how this happens so i cant duplicate it, has anyone else had this problem.

Yes my friend and not only units but also terraforming upgrades such as mines in forests, or so I was erroneously accused of using some sort of "cheat".

What the other person saw was actually 1 tile difference, and I have seen where I thought I could pass a unit, only to "attack" when I thought I was passing it. Strange, some sort of glitch in the graphics outlay I reckon???

	11-09-2002 05:39									#14
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Ive had the same prob with a pbem game with milaambar. went to war with the englich early in the game becouse I didnt see them. now thay want my rear end

	11-09-2002 07:50									#15
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Another "BUG" or "CHEAT" or whatever you want to call it, and you know whom you are!

I have seen saved game files, MP FILES, where a person whom had 118 SOL"S and making 1200 gold per turn had over 16 Million Gold in his coffer, around mid Modern Era, which is absolutely Impossible, I believe they had 25-30 trade routes and about 40 cities.

I am appalled that folks cheat and even unto this degree.

I have seen in SP using some sort of SLIC command where you can write in gold to appear, but how can you do it in MP, whereas you and only you can get it???
I remember once failing to use correct Const.txt file and trying to launch a game and others crashing because of different files, so i had to take out "altered" file (which i was using with my scenarios) and replace with default file.

I have also tried to join a game where someone had a scenario working and couldnt beause I didnt have that file, i believe it stated "datebase" of of sync...if I remember correctly??????

Man, I am so dissapointed in this person, whom I thought more of, but two different sources have been targeted and they ae one and the same.....

Shame..cheating..but then again, maybe that person doesnt have a mirror to look into or their soul doesnt have a heart to them

I say send the Apolyton-CTP Cyber Police to them and ban them from this site for cheating!!

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	11-09-2002 09:03									#16
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quote: Originally posted by MILAMBER I have run in to this a few times where units of other civs. appear to be one place but are actually in another spot all together. i have been told that this also happens in internet play though i have never experienced this in internet play. i have though in PBEM i am not sure how this happens so i cant duplicate it, has anyone else had this problem.

Do you know if that civ or your civ has been switched to AI in the past and then back to human?

	11-09-2002 09:07									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Troll but also terraforming upgrades such as mines in forests

I think this has something to do with pollution.
When a global disaster some tiles change to another type so if you have farm in a grassland and that tile change to forrest the farm remains but you don't get the profit. I am not 100% sure but I suspect that's the case.

Perhaps I will open a past turn of mine and observe what happens and come back with a certain asnwer on this

	11-09-2002 09:12									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Troll Another "BUG" or "CHEAT" or whatever you want to call it, and you know whom you are! I have seen saved game files, MP FILES, where a person whom had 118 SOL"S and making 1200 gold per turn had over 16 Million Gold in his coffer, around mid Modern Era, which is absolutely Impossible, I believe they had 25-30 trade routes and about 40 cities. I am appalled that folks cheat and even unto this degree. I have seen in SP using some sort of SLIC command where you can write in gold to appear, but how can you do it in MP, whereas you and only you can get it???

Troll, that is not a bug but an alteration of text files and SLIC code that has been designed that way.

Here we strictly report what we think that is a bug and not a cheat or trick. Some of them will help us avoid unpleasant situations and some will be marked as cheats if used and banned.

	11-09-2002 09:15									#19
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Thanks guys for your time and effort to help locate as much bugs as possible

	11-09-2002 09:47									#20
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no i dont think so Keygen In my case the PBEM game is between me and Geoffrey. and in PBEM that isnt possible is it. and in internet play i have not had this problem yet.

in globle disasters the tiles sometimes do change and they will keep the improvements but they wont work any longer and when this happens it could really bleep you up. when this happens you've already lost some coastal cities due to flooding o-well thats life in being a ruler in civ

	11-09-2002 10:31									#21
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I don't know if this means anything, but I have a UK version ofthe game and on the box is a serial number with "UK" in it. I often have trouble fudging it with the US patch. Any help is appreciated

	11-09-2002 15:46									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Keygen I think this has something to do with pollution. When a global disaster some tiles change to another type so if you have farm in a grassland and that tile change to forrest the farm remains but you don't get the profit. I am not 100% sure but I suspect that's the case. Perhaps I will open a past turn of mine and observe what happens and come back with a certain asnwer on this

No Keygen, for you see in the LAND OF TROLLDOM there is NO POLLUTION!!
For I dont wanna see my people cough and hack and die prematurely!!

I allways turn pollution off.

This has been the source of a couple timesa being accused of "altering" when in fact it was some sort mis-sent information from computer to computer.

	12-09-2002 10:10									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Troll No Keygen, for you see in the LAND OF TROLLDOM there is NO POLLUTION!! For I dont wanna see my people cough and hack and die prematurely!! I allways turn pollution off. This has been the source of a couple timesa being accused of "altering" when in fact it was some sort mis-sent information from computer to computer.

And you do well my friend

But the question is: Do the others do the same?

	12-09-2002 18:56									#24
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BUG REPORT

Here's one that happened a couple of times already in PBEM games I've played. Basically, the player after me is building a settler in a size 1 city. The turn comes back to me, and as I end my turn, the window pops up to ask if I want to disband the city.

	12-09-2002 21:56									#25
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Thanks PC

I've seen this bug in the past and so others have reported.

I recommend that you always hit the "No" button

	05-05-2003 00:21									#26
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On top...

	05-05-2003 01:03									#27
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In a game I am currently playing the trade screen is all mucked up. Crabs are where pearls should be and visa vie. Anyone seen this before? I mean one crab one pearl etc.

	22-07-2003 09:33									#28
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I'm having trouble with one of my PBEM games right now. A while back over half my cities revolted (no, I didn't build the AI entity), but they didn't turn to red, they stayed my color. The units appear red a way from the cities but when I try to attack them they are not in the place it shows them to be. Then I get attacked by invisible rebel units. I'm fighting a real gurillia war in that one.

	23-07-2003 09:22									#29
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We have seen a lot of this. The thing to do here is to have both players, or more send all the turns, at least five just before this happened. That way we can play test the game and figure out a possible solution to this problem.

Seen it to a neutral someone all trust.
I can volunteer my time but I warn you my goverment does not trust me.... Must be that tort we are about to hit them with

Seriously I can help just send me the turns.

	23-07-2003 16:53									#30
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It's a five player game (R2 Islands) so it might be kind of hard. Also it's been going for quite a while now (and has taken quite a toll on me as shown by my dramatic side on the power graph!) I have most of them elimanated, I think. It's hard to tell. If I would have seen this board earlier I would have reported it then. I'm just taking it as a unique challenge. It would be very frustrating if it was the only game I was in.

I just thought I should report it. I'll send you the last turn I received if you want the other players turns, I can post the request.

what e-mail address do you want it sent to?