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That's right, certainly it has many flaws. But then again you could say the same thing about the abscence of belief (or hatred of beliefs in general) clouding reason, which is also a distinct possibility (even if an unlikely one, I know). |
I am pretty sure that Madelyn Murry O'Hare often had clouded reasoning.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
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My apologies if this has already been posted.
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This has been downloaded 72 time(s).
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Jon Miller
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I could have sworn that it was a Christian that started this thread, not an atheist...
Run a search for old religious troll threads, you'll find that almost all of them were started by Christians. My favorite was "The Evangelical Atheist," in which the thread starter basically started a religious troll thread in which he complained that atheists start too many religious troll threads or something. Good times. |
this thread was not a troll (the opening post was not)
many of the posts it in are though
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Lincoln
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To answer the first post, yes, I am a Christian. But many of my views would be rejected by others who also call themselves Christian. I think that Galileo for example was a Christian even though he believed in the obvious reality of his observations. God is a spirit and it is not possible to know of his reality except by spiritual means. That is why I do not often enter debates with those who deny a spiritual realm. It is kind of like trying to communicate with someone when we are using two different communication channels. My christian views are prety much expressed in my book that is available here.
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Rogan Josh
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I am a Christian too
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Aug 2001
time: 00:22
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Originally posted by loinburger
Depends on whether you believe in predestination or free will, I spose. If predestination, then everybody who's evil gets a raw deal. If free will, then Judas may have been manipulated, but that's not a very good excuse. |
You can't look at Judas, IMO, and believe he had free will. His betrayal of Jesus was part of the deal in order to fulfill Jesus's destiny, etc. It sucks to be damned for something you have no control over. That's why I find Calvinists particularly loopy.
Judas was a poor schmuck who was probably doing what he felt was right and got screwed for it (assuming the Biblical account is true, which I do not assume anyway).
Another example of why I find the God depicted in the Bible to be pretty rotten. It's actually a fairly insulting description of a supposedly omnipotent, benevolent being.
And notice how Kcck vanished after the firs post... DL indeed. 
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