10-09-2002 08:14									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Asher What about the people who don't give a rats ass either way?

than why are you amazed at people who do beleive?

Jon Miller

	10-09-2002 08:17									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller than why are you amazed at people who do beleive? Jon Miller

Because it makes no sense whatsoever. It boggles my mind, actually, it truly does.

If there is a God, why do you need to worship them? Do you really believe he has that low of a self-esteem? Come on.

	10-09-2002 08:21									#63
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I don't need to worship him

I want to

wouldn't you?

Jon Miller

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Lord, what is grass for?
For you to sleep in

Lord, what are Birds for?
To sing to you.

Lord, what is water for?
For you to swim in

What is the ocean for?
For you to look at with your lover.

What are trees for?
For you to lie under on sunny summer afternoons.

What are mountains for?
For you to climb, of course.

Then what are mosquitos for?
You didn't think I'd be giving it away free if it were perfect, did you?

	10-09-2002 08:25									#65
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Asher, you are right. It makes no sense. Try to stop making sense of it and just relax.

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller I don't need to worship him I want to wouldn't you?

Short answer: No
Long answer: Hell no
Longer answer: "You can kiss my ass, you egocentric *****".
(to a God who expects or needs or even wants Worship)

	10-09-2002 08:26									#67
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I'm a non-conformist Christian, in that I do not need any institution or preachers to tell me HOW to believe in God and Jesus Christ. For instance, with Jesu's "miracles" -- I believe that he used chakra techniques when he successfully healed people.

But, on the other hand, if you believe in God, those techniques were created by God.

	10-09-2002 08:27									#68
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Can anyone say Kaak?

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athiest

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I've never understood the need to give metaphysics such a central role in life. Speculation can be fun and all, but it's still just speculation.

I kept running into trouble in my ethics classes with people who believed that metaphysics was an inextricable part of ethics, or even that metaphysics was equivalent to ethics. I tried to understand where they were coming from, but we usually remained at an impasse. Ah well, **** it.

	10-09-2002 08:29									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Short answer: No Long answer: Hell no Longer answer: "You can kiss my ass, you egocentric *****". (to a God who expects or needs or even wants Worship)

I said that God does not need your worship

the key point is that he is deserving of it

Jon Miller

	10-09-2002 08:34									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller I said that God does not need your worship the key point is that he is deserving of it

No one is deserving of worship, it's a pointless exercise that tends to only annoy the person being worshipped unless they have a fragile ego and low self esteem...

	10-09-2002 08:35									#73
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that is because they are not worthy of worship

I must say that you have a rather small view

Jon Miller

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My God is not capable of caring what I do.

My God is everywhere, and everything.

My God is in the cat that prowls the field behind my house.

My God is the quark that a physicist detects, and the heat of the coffee he sips.

My God is the Universe; the multiverse.

My God is absolute, infinite and undefined.

My God is The purpose and the method; the cause and the effect.

My God knows me, but I can't even track him down.

My God is part of me, and to better myself is to come closer to him.

My God is the perfection that is everything; the unimaginably complex and infallible machinery that is existance.

My God does not ask for worship, or temples of gold, or complicated ritual. To live happily is enough.

	10-09-2002 08:36									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller that is because they are not worthy of worship I must say that you have a rather small view Jon Miller

Small view because I don't believe in "worshipping" a God? Please.

Somebody's just scared of life. It gives you comfort to believe in the afterlife and think someone's out there watching over you, and regular prayer is just like a security blanket for you.

	10-09-2002 08:37									#76
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Worthy of respect? Certainly. Worthy of worship? Worship tends to connote greed, awe, and/or fear, not respect.

	10-09-2002 08:38									#77
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick Ethel, please. You can mock me by personal message. Have a little respect.

I wasn't mocking you. I was pointing out a bit of reality.

Christ IS a title. Its not a name.

Sacramental wine in the US IS Mogan David (I say US because that is made from Concord grapes and they are native to America) is or at least it was back when I was a Catholic. To a Catholic THAT IS THE Blood of Christ.

If Christ is defined merely as the annointed one then there were a LOT of them. If Christ is defined as the Messiah than Jesus did not qualify. The Messiah MUST have an Earthly Kingdom or he isn't the Messiah. Its part of the definition.

Just because I disagree with you Jimmy it doesn't mean I am mocking you.

That goes for John Miller as well. You also should be able tell the difference.

	10-09-2002 08:38									#78
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small because you are not capable right now of imagining something so immense

and I would worship God even if I did not beleive in an afterlife or beleived that God cared for me (but if I did not beleive that God cared for me, I probably wouldn't love Him)

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by loinburger Worthy of respect? Certainly. Worthy of worship? Worship tends to connote greed, awe, and/or fear, not respect.

that is because the concept of worship is so messed up here because those earthly men who want worhip are not worthy of it

just because most of what man worships is not worthy of worship does not make worship invalid though

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred I wasn't mocking you. I was pointing out a bit of reality. Christ IS a title. Its not a name. Sacramental wine in the US IS Mogan David (I say US because that is made from Concord grapes and they are native to America) is or at least it was back when I was a Catholic. To a Catholic THAT IS THE Blood of Christ. If Christ is defined merely as the annointed one then there were a LOT of them. If Christ is defined as the Messiah than Jesus did not qualify. The Messiah MUST have an Earthly Kingdom or he isn't the Messiah. Its part of the definition. Just because I disagree with you Jimmy it doesn't mean I am mocking you. That goes for John Miller as well. You also should be able tell the difference.

While I knew what you said to be factually correct, the way you said it was mocking

see
"
Jimmy doesn't know the difference between a person and a title.
"
Jon Miller

	10-09-2002 08:41									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller small because you are not capable right now of imagining something so immense

Key word here is imagining.

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I don't understand what you are getting at, could you please be clearer

Jon Miller

	10-09-2002 08:42									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Severn Jimmy jimmy What if god hates bores? I suspect he does?

Now that is closer to mocking. Learn the difference Jimmy and John.

Of course it is concievable. If Dan can think of then your idea of god could think of it.

	10-09-2002 08:42									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller that is because the concept of worship is so messed up here because those earthly men who want worhip are not worthy of it just because most of what man worships is not worthy of worship does not make worship invalid though

What is worthy of worship, and why? For that matter, what is worship?

	10-09-2002 08:43									#85
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I agree that that was mocking also

but you were mocking Jimmy for his lack of knowledge

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller I don't understand what you are getting at, could you please be clearer Jon Miller

You just don't have the capability right now to understand it.

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You know who I can't stand?

Those jerkus types who wear christian T-shirts.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Key word here is imagining.

I would have used comperhending (spelling?)

but I was not sure if you would be touchy about that

JOn Miller

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Let's not make this personal foks...

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller While I knew what you said to be factually correct, the way you said it was mocking see "Jimmy doesn't know the difference between a person and a title."

This was in response to Jimmy's "Okay, Ethel doesn't know anything about [the blood of Christ]." *** for tat, he who lives in a glass house, and all that jazz.