14-09-2002 04:31									#1
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No offense to the non-gay ***** out there, this is just a generalization.

I don't tell Belgians how to run their country. If Italians want to invade Libya again, I don't really care. And if Brazilians feel like destroying the Amazon, it's none of my business.

But for some reason, foreigners always feel like debating how Americans should run their own country.

Here's a thought: If your methods are so good, why can we have such a powerhouse economy while still spending hundreds of billions of dollars on defense? If Europeans are so much better than Americans, why do we set the pace of the world? Why, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, do you believe that you have a better system than we do?

This isn't about social justice. If you want social justice, fine, elect socialist governments, and enjoy yourselves. Americans are perfectly happy with social injustice, and see no reason why you should tell us we're wrong.

Now other people debating our foreign policy is one thing. It's acceptable to say, "Hey, you shouldn't have invaded those peaceful people." But it's a whole other ball game to say, "Hey, you should raise your own taxes and create a shitty government run health care system like the UK!" Countries are supposed to have dialouge about foreign policy, and if discussion doesn't get your very far, a nifty little CIA inspired coup can do the trick.

You all might be surprised but Americans don't sit around saying, "You know, I worry about Greece's bugget for this fiscal year." Most Americans don't give two shits about your crappy little has-been countries. We only care about you when we're going on vacation to see the world and whatnot. And even then, we still don't really care that much.

I know this is a rant, and it will be closed or deleted, but the fact remains, we don't really care about your countries, and would appreciate it if you would treat us with the same indifference.

	14-09-2002 04:34									#2
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Cause the vast majority of them are probably gay losers and newsjunkies.

	14-09-2002 04:35									#3
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What you're doing is called "banging your head against a wall", believe me.

	14-09-2002 04:36									#4
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oh and they probably need to go and get some *****. No kidding some of the most rabid anti-americans I know dont get any pu$$y. I think theres some kind of connection..

	14-09-2002 04:39									#5
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Americans don't care about how other people run their countries? While that may be true of the general population, it's pretty outlandish if stated with regards to your government. Dare we point out how many "interventions" have been undertaken in situations which were manifestly none of the US' business.

In other words, if there's such a disconnect between how mych you complain about other countries and how much other countries' people complain about you, it might have something to do with how little attention the average American pays to his own government, not how much other people pay to it.

	14-09-2002 04:41									#6
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You know, that's exactly how the Chinese felt when the first British ships began making contact with China in the 1840's. "We don't care about the English and French and whatnot, they're all barbarians," the Chinese said to each other. Then they drank tea and had fun with poetry.

Heck, the very fabric of ancient Chinese culture was based on not knowing and not finding out about other countries. For 2000 years Chinese civilization led the world. And became very very complacent.

We fell hard.

And we're coming back, now that this little weakness has been passed on to our American brothers.

	14-09-2002 04:42									#7
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we pay attention to our government mayabe u should think about fixing your instead of ours im 15 and i know everything to know about the usa government

	14-09-2002 04:45									#8
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See? Even Canadians are so into correcting us it's amazing; and they're not even into themselves enough to be their own country.
Give up. Find a battle worth fighting.

	14-09-2002 04:45									#9
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quote: why can we have such a powerhouse economy while still spending hundreds of billions of dollars on defense?

You can't, at least not in the long run.

Regarding American interference, when I was at school we had a family of Americans who used to stand outside the gates handing out creationist pamphlets.

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quote: Originally posted by charmon1 we pay attention to our government mayabe u should think about fixing your instead of ours im 15 and i know everything to know about the usa government

lol!
i'm 16 and I don't pretend to know about every that there is.
My political views are still changing (currently moving rightwards) and so are my views on lots of other issues. After all, if someone has a better point, you should consider it.

perhaps you should participate more here. You'll see how people who don't agree with you can actually make a lot of sense.

	14-09-2002 04:46									#11
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Well yeah, I agree Frogger. But I'm talking about individuals mostly.

Most individual Europeans care way too much about the US.

Canadians I can understand, since we're neighbors and all. But for people who live nowhere near us to care about our health care system seems pretty stupid.

	14-09-2002 04:48									#12
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When I first saw the title, I was just going to delete the thread... but gee, there actually was some discussion going on inbetween the rants... So rah suggested I just change the title...

So done.

Now behave yourselves, or this thread is toast...

Carry on...

	14-09-2002 04:48									#13
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never claimed to know everything i change my views when a better on comes up.

	14-09-2002 04:49									#14
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"quote:

why can we have such a powerhouse economy while still spending hundreds of billions of dollars on defense?



You can't, at least not in the long run. "

We've been doing it for 60 years folks. If that isnt the "long run" what is?

Tho I think we tend to overdo it anyway. I mean, why do you need stealth bombers with 8 billion LGM's to take out a stone hut in Khandahar?

	14-09-2002 04:50									#15
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quote: Originally posted by charmon1 never claimed to know everything i change my views when a better on comes up.

great!

if you're willing to find out more about both positive and negative points of the US gov't, just pop into this forum now and then and participate.

you'll find out a lot about how the world works and how it's not always black-and-white. often it's grey-and-grey instead.

	14-09-2002 04:50									#16
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Damn, you're lucky Ming beat me to it.

	14-09-2002 04:51									#17
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand See? Even Canadians are so into correcting us it's amazing; and they're not even into themselves enough to be their own country. Give up. Find a battle worth fighting.

You give it up. Americans are always so busy correcting others for saying anything other than "God bless the USA" that they can't be arsed to look at themselves.

Start a CanPol thread, Sloww. If you've got the knowledge to play ball then I won't mind. And if you hadn't noticed, the place the Canucks get most worked up is in their own threads...

The same is probably true about the Finns, but I can't read that funny language they speak.

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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Damn, you're lucky Ming beat me to it.

When we saw you were the last post... Rah predicted word for word what your response was going to be

	14-09-2002 04:51									#19
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i really dont have time to come here and post here alot. lucky that there is nothing going on tonight.

	14-09-2002 04:54									#20
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quote: Originally posted by charmon1 i really dont have time to come here and post here alot. lucky that there is nothing going on tonight.

well if you want to, i'm sure you can find the time.
if you don't want to, heck it's your choice, go find something else to do.

	14-09-2002 04:55									#21
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why are you such a fag man lossen up let me post when i want to post

	14-09-2002 04:56									#22
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quote: Originally posted by charmon1 we pay attention to our government mayabe u should think about fixing your instead of ours im 15 and i know everything to know about the usa government

This says it all, don't it...

	14-09-2002 04:58									#23
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quote: Originally posted by charmon1 why are you such a fag man lossen up let me post when i want to post

lol... relax!!
you won't survive a day in these forums like that.

	14-09-2002 04:58									#24
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dont be gay f@gger.

	14-09-2002 04:59									#25
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Chill out or relax on the islands, your choice.

	14-09-2002 05:01									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger You give it up. And if you hadn't noticed, the place the Canucks get most worked up is in their own threads... The same is probably true about the Finns, but I can't read that funny language they speak.

1) I was talking to the originator of the thread, who is from the States, Einstein.

2) Like this one is strictly about Canadians, even though 9/10 of the replies are from Canadians, Brainiac?

3) Putting down the Finns, are you? They read your language better than you read their's, so who is "funny", oh Learned One?

	14-09-2002 05:03									#27
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I'll assume slow, that this was a simple case of cross-posting. Prove me right.

	14-09-2002 05:04									#28
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quote: I don't tell Belgians how to run their country.

Just the Iraqis then

	14-09-2002 05:15									#29
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Actually, the States do some ahrd to believe things.
I was watching a special on the grey wolf the other night.
How these do-gooders went to Canada and rounded them up to bring back to like Idaho and that.
The trappers they saw were asking them," WTF is wrong with you? You want these things back in your country?"
Yeah, we killed them off once, but it took like 300 years, and that included having bounties on them.
So now, here are these ranchers, and all they can do is watch the wolves drag down members of their herds,
as they're not allowed to shoot these protected wolves

	14-09-2002 05:17									#30
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Was going to respond to Sloww...but won't directly, since I'm annoyed and don't want to push this farther than it's already gone.

So I'll just say this: I value this place for the fact that I can get points of view from all over the (developed) world. There are rightist Americans, leftist Euros (and vice-versa). I'm happy with that. Now, this would be useless if we all clumped along national lines, so we require common discussions. These fall under two categories: international politics and domestic politics. And of those two, domestic politics is naturally the richest source for discussion. International politics mainly revolves around security and trade, while there are dozens of major themes dealt with in domestic politics.

I'm just as happy to talk about the health care system in Canada as I am about gun control in the States...but to do so I'd have to give a backgrounder to 99% of non-Canadians who wanted to take part. Because, by and large, the average person is more informed about the US than they are about us. Because the US is more important than us on the international stage.

Q ****ing ED when we talk about domestic issues, 90% of the time they'll be indigenous to the US.