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Trajanus, you forget that the normal way from Berlin to Paris is via Brussels. Also for armed forces.

(edited to make a slightly better sentence )

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Trajanus your forgeting that america is leading the push in sceince of every country ex: who has the only space program good enough to colonize mars, fuel cells being researched and probaly be used by american scientists first.

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what would we do with a military... nothing, we're so small it's no use, we still have a good life standard


The money that would be used for millitary is used for what?... look at ur Location.

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Charmon, for someone coming from such a proliferated scientific country your lack in linguistical skills is somehow err... embarrassing

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most scientist dont give a crap about grammer spelling so on as you can, if thats the best arugment you have i fell sorry for jamaica or Netherlands wherever your from

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Hehehe, try to get that revolutionary paper on fuel cells in Science with that spelling.

'Muhrikah scientific leader, my ***

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america is leading the push in sceince of every country ex: who has the only space program good enough to colonize mars, fuel cells being researched and probaly be used by american scientists first.


most scientist dont give a crap about grammer spelling so on as you can,


You are so nescient its unbelievable.

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an editor? sure...

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i can type 80wpm and never edit my posts

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Do it now. I'm timing you.

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No? OK then.

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The US is the best space program in the world by far. No one can take from that. The USSR definitely rivaled it, but they're Russia now and the space program isn't nearly as good now. Besides the International Space Station, I believe no other country built a space station besides US or Russia. And, though charmon does have bad spelling and punctuation, it doesn't matter. It is a little annoying but I don't think we need to correct each other. Good points though, all of you. This is fun to read.

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The US is the best space program in the world by far.

Does this mean y'all will be in orbit or on your way to Jupiter soon? Man, what a great planet this small world of ours will be....

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Uh, no, that won't be for a while. And I don't know why'd we go to Jupiter. Probes might go to there to do research but a manned mission would be impossible because the barometric pressures at some places on that planet are so high we'd be crushed. The first planet we'll go to will definitely be mars, and at the rate things are going, I don't think that'll be til about 2030.

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Err... You said the US is the best space program...

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Yeah, I know I said that. I'm saying the US will be first to do it and it won't be til about 2030, though that might be a little late. Anyway, the US will be first to do it. I'd bet a whole lot on it.

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I'd bet a whole lot on it.

I take you up on that. Today, 30 years from now you gonna owe me. If there still is a USofA of course...

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Define "best space programme". You seem to consider "high profile" as being equitable to "best".

By the yardstick of profitability, the European Space Agency is the best, thanks to it being the largest launcher of commercial satellites, and most efficient user of its funding. You need to define how you measure best.

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err. about how the only one thats been to the moon, the one that does the most reserach, and the one that has best scientists. Im betting 2007 by the usa.

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The moon landings were a waste of time and money. Russia, Europe, Japan and China are all capable of getting there. Why bother?

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Do you have a source for that claim?

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There is that word "Best" again. You are talking in circles. How do you define best.

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Who's DL are you?

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Why bother?

Why? To say that you are the best off course!

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Hopefully charmon will volunteer for that 2007 trip to Mars.

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Why bother going to the moon?

Why bother sailing to the new world?

Why bother tinkering with the concept of flight?

Why bother trying to decode the human genome?

All of these questions are fundamentally the same, and the answer TO those questions is also the same.

To expand our knowledge and our horizons.

Yeah, I know, you guys can call it a pipe dream if you want to, but the day WILL come when there are human beings living on the moon, on mars, and further.

When it happens, the things we learned by making our lunar excursions will be the key building blocks for more advanced, more ambitious undertakings.

There was a time when the European sense of exploration was unrivaled in all the world.

-=Vel=-

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Velo, what purpose is there for going to the moon now?

Also a lot of those things you mentioned have practical applications. A moon mission has none whatsoever.

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When it happens, the things we learned by making our lunar excursions will be the key building blocks for more advanced, more ambitious undertakings.


There are more economically and scientifically efficient methods to develop inter-planetary travel. The moon missions were purely political.

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What purposes are there for going to the moon now?

Among them are:
1) practice. The day WILL come when we go there to establish a permanant presence. The better we understand the conditions we can expect, the better our chances of success.

2) Advanced surveying. There may be mineral deposits or other resources beneath the surface that would suddenly make the moon a much higher priority than it is right now. But we'll never know unless we go check it out.

3) experimentation - the moon's lower gravity has all sorts of intriguing possibilities for chemistry and manufacturing. Again, theorizing about it is one thing, but tinkering with working models....that's quite another, and immensely more valuable.

4) General information gathering....testing new technologies to see how the operate under lunar and landing conditions. Again, you can discuss it to DEATH in the classroom or lab, but until it gets a test run, it's just so much hot air and hope.

5) Advances in astronomy. The Hubble is pretty good at what it does, but imagine a lunar observatory and what it could do for our understanding of the stars.

I could go on, but that should be enough to provide evidence that there ARE, today good reasons for making such trips.

If the Euros don't want to....if they've lost that sense of exploration....that's cool. We'll tell you all about it when we get back....

-=Vel=-

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Oh, I won't deny you that, but to say that there is nothing to be gained from lunar missions is, in my mind, just silliness, and on par with saying that there's nothing to be gained from....say, tinkering with the notion of flight.

When it was first being done, nobody was thinking in terms of fleets of jets in the sky....nobody really even thought it would work!

But then, that wasn't the point....

-=Vel=-

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1) practice. The day WILL come when we go there to establish a permanant presence. The better we understand the conditions we can expect, the better our chances of success.


Practice is only good if it is used quickly and or built upon. This requires a permanent presence on the moon. The cost would be (forgive the pun) astronomical.

When we go to the moon we must do it wholeheartedly and concertedly, else it is not worth doing at all.

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2) Advanced surveying. There may be mineral deposits or other resources beneath the surface that would suddenly make the moon a much higher priority than it is right now. But we'll never know unless we go check it out.


Send probes, why send men?

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3) experimentation - the moon's lower gravity has all sorts of intriguing possibilities for chemistry and manufacturing. Again, theorizing about it is one thing, but tinkering with working models....that's quite another, and immensely more valuable.


Again same problem of cost-benefit

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4) General information gathering....testing new technologies to see how the operate under lunar and landing conditions. Again, you can discuss it to DEATH in the classroom or lab, but until it gets a test run, it's just so much hot air and hope.


How does that have a practical implication that warrants the cost?


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5) Advances in astronomy. The Hubble is pretty good at what it does, but imagine a lunar observatory and what it could do for our understanding of the stars.


Why do you need a lunar observatory when satellites are doing the job just fine?

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I could go on, but that should be enough to provide evidence that there ARE, today good reasons for making such trips.


I disagree.

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If the Euros don't want to....if they've lost that sense of exploration....that's cool. We'll tell you all about it when we get back....[/QUOTE]

Go ahead, what you do with your money is upto you.

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::shrug:: Fair enough....but don't start complaining 'bout an "American Extra-Terrestrial Hegemony" if you're not even willing to try....

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