30-09-2002 11:22									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I dunno - all I know is when I look at the demogs table I don't see many 1st's for your mob. edit...

Well have a look at the save!

If you are getting techs quicker than every 4 turns with an optimised Tax rate for Science without caras you are beginning to be doing OK..

	30-09-2002 11:34									#62
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You haven't researched anything for eons.

You must be building a lot of stuff.

	30-09-2002 16:34									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse You haven't researched anything for eons. You must be building a lot of stuff.

I have to cos I've got nothing to trade with.. I offerred Medicine to Makeo for Railroad. He laughed

	30-09-2002 16:42									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse You haven't researched anything for eons. You must be building a lot of stuff.

So, what IS your research rate??

	30-09-2002 16:54									#65
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Oh obviously it's not as good as yours

	30-09-2002 17:14									#66
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	30-09-2002 17:32									#67
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What? Good fences make good neighbours?

I think so since you kept violating that border. Just move a unit over one turn and move it back the next. Nice.

I don't have to put up with that sort of sh*t from finbar or makeo - oh spotless one

	04-10-2002 05:49									#68
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Very frustrating session of the game last night.

Everything was cruising along nicely until finbar has a brain explosion and gives makeo electricity. I can only assume this was some sort of perverse bid for a Darwin award for the dumbest tech trade ever because not only did it hand makeo Hoover dam on a platter but at one stroke pissed up against the wall the tech advantage of both finbar's civ and mine. Character building stuff. finbar said I should have warned him but a. I didn't know finbar had electricity and b. I would have thought it was axiomatic that one doesn't hand over electricity to a predatory civ until Hoovers is built.

It took me a long time to get over that one Much pursing of lips because that tech trade could have decided the game.

So okay I adjust my plans accordingly and build the Cure and start to feel better. Then I notice this deitician diplo flitting sneakily around my civ. I don't expel it because I want to see what the spotless one is up to. I ask on kingchat if deity has a unit on my land (whilst I'm staring at it on my screen btw). Deity denies it to all of us but sure enough "economic supremo", who has fallen hopelessly behind in the tech race, is stealing techs off me. He took about 5 in the first turn and 3 turns later he was still at it - he's taken about 7 or 8 so far - not bad for a player with a spotless rep. So I suppose now deity and I will probably end up in a debilitating war. I don't know why he didn't just ask for some techs. I'm sure we could have come to some arrangement.

I find this all a bit depressing because it seems to me that this game is really being handed to makeo, who is now in the box seat to win with Hoovers and a 3 tech lead. And of course makeo is now not trading techs.

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	04-10-2002 06:22									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Everything was cruising along nicely until finbar has a brain explosion and gives makeo electricity.

Yeah, I'm guilty.

quote: So okay I adjust my plans accordingly and build the Cure and start to feel better. Then I notice this deitician diplo flitting sneakily around my civ. I don't expel it because I want to see what the spotless one is up to. I ask on kingchat if deity has a unit on my land (whilst I'm staring at it on my screen btw). Deity denies it to all of us but sure enough "economic supremo", who has fallen hopelessly behind in the tech race, is stealing techs off me. He took about 5 in the first turn and 3 turns later he was still at it - he's taken about 7 or 8 so far - not bad for a player with a spotless rep.

Yeah, he's guilty.

	04-10-2002 06:27									#70
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Don't sweat it, it was kind of funny actually

Reminded me, if I needed reminding, this is only game

Its so ironic that Deity says he loves the "diplo" form but he seems incapable of trading techs or maps or, well, any kind of diplomacy

	04-10-2002 06:34									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Don't sweat it, it was kind of funny actually

Who's sweating? I was fibbing. As in Deity's "No, I haven't got a diplo in your territory that's about to plunder your techs". It's catching.

	04-10-2002 06:47									#72
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I had a lot of fun trying to think of epithets to describe what you had done. I went off to sleep muttering "not even Hydey would have done that" - but decided not to use it because I thought it might offend Hydey, and anyway I thought actually he probably would have done it too.........(tee hee)

But never mind - you got conscription out of it - which should prove very useful given that makeo is now 2 or 3 turns away from mobile warfare

	04-10-2002 07:08									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I find this all a bit depressing because it seems to me that this game is really being handed to makeo, who is now in the box seat to win with Hoovers and a 3 tech lead. And of course makeo is now not trading techs.

Nonsense!

You offer me an equitable trade and I'll trade. I've been open to tech trading the whole game except when someone offers me medicine for railroad when I already have sanitation, or for instance when someone offers me Genetic Engineering (CC Built), Leadership (already have tactics) and Medicine (already have sanitation) for Combustion, Flight and Refrigeration.

That clearly is a poor trade as well as a nonsense position. Why only the turn before I traded Refining for Tactics with the Horses.
The finbarians weren't interested in that trade by the way. Something about not wanting the Aztecs to have Tactics.

	04-10-2002 08:41									#74
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AH is trying to be nice cos of my b'day

But he really needs to vent his spleen!
Go for it Horsie...

My strategy is clear and deliberate. I had to build a good infrastructure cos Makeo has the different continent trade advantage with all us three on the same one. This catapults his tech rate. I held back on Science to build and to celebrate at 40% lux. You waste time getting a tech lead in a tech trade/steal game. I end up the same as you tech wise but far better specs and I'm close to Auto too, but I want Leo to do it's best first.

	04-10-2002 08:44									#75
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As for trading techs.. well you all laughed at me

And, as if AH is going to accomodate me in this NON-diplo game!

I honestly thought you three were sharing and deliberately leaving me out so I had to go it alone.

	04-10-2002 09:28									#76
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quote: Originally posted by deity I honestly thought you three were sharing and deliberately leaving me out so I had to go it alone.

Ah well here is the real problem, which we have seen in many games - Deity's galloping paranoia

	04-10-2002 09:46									#77
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Do you honestly think you would have gifted me techs for maps or something? ! I doubt it

	04-10-2002 09:55									#78
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This paranoia of yours is really deep seated isn't it

Ask finbar about my generosity. For that matter ask me about finbar's

	04-10-2002 10:23									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse This paranoia of yours is really deep seated isn't it Ask finbar about my generosity. For that matter ask me about finbar's

ROTFLMAO!

EXACTLY

	04-10-2002 10:38									#80
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quote: Originally posted by deity As for trading techs.. well you all laughed at me

Moi? You haven't approached me to trade techs in this game. Laugh at you? Well, yes, but that's another of our house rules.

	04-10-2002 11:43									#81
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He hasn't approached me for tech trading either.

You're going to have to stop confusing your internal monologue with King chat there Deity

	04-10-2002 12:51									#82
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Moi? You haven't approached me to trade techs in this game. Laugh at you? Well, yes, but that's another of our house rules.

We traded techs earlier in the game but lately I haven't had anything to trade

I like being a loner though

	04-10-2002 14:27									#83
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I won't be around tonight, lads. Sorry.

	05-10-2002 17:50									#84
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what a great game. nothing is even happening but there is great tension.

	05-10-2002 17:59									#85
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Nothing's happening? Deity's still stealing techs from Horse.

	05-10-2002 18:05									#86
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well that doesn't involve me, so, nothing is happening

	07-10-2002 17:29									#87
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So, when are we putting the timer on in this game?

I reckon 10 minutes per turn should be more than enough.

	08-10-2002 03:55									#88
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Fine with me.

Until someone attacks me that is.

	08-10-2002 04:06									#89
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Sorry. Deity stole the timer too.

	08-10-2002 04:35									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Makeo Fine with me. Until someone attacks me that is.

We can turn it off on request.