23-09-2002 22:42									#1
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Those who have them should be locked up. Hey, I have an idea - Because of someone's promiscuity, why don't we go in there, murder and drag out the corpse of an unborn human being!

It is their life afterall, even if they didn't insist on unprotected sex. Meanwhile, the life of the child inside doesn't matter because it hasn't been given the opportunity to speak! Quick, kill it before it can come out crying



EDIT: GRAPHIC PICTURES OF ABORTED LIVES BELOW

Last edited by Lungron on 23-09-2002 at 22:57

	23-09-2002 22:45									#2
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It is the right of any woman to decide what she does with her own body, not yours. If she doesn't want to bear a child, she shouldn't, as the foetus is effectively equivalent to a parasite as it is unwanted by the host.

Nothing else needs to be said to counter your substanceless moan. Who are you to enforce your model of morality on others in this way when it doesn't affect you in the slightest.

	23-09-2002 22:46									#3
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abortion is a life saver

	23-09-2002 22:47									#4
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It is not the right for the women as it is murder.

PH, people have the right to think differently and not have their arguments called substanceless. I will ask you the same question you are asking so who are you enforce your model of morality on others? Hypocrit.

	23-09-2002 22:47									#5
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Lungron:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...hlight=abortion

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...hlight=abortion

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...hlight=abortion

Just a smattering of past threads related to this topic, in case you would prefer not to beat a dead horse.

	23-09-2002 22:52									#6
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger Just a smattering of past threads related to this topic, in case you would prefer not to beat a dead horse.

This is the OT, beating dead horses is the number 1 sport here.

	23-09-2002 22:54									#7
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Why don't we take a visit to the good people at google search engines to justify the further practise and promotion of abortion!

Edited by ming... I have removed your graphic pictures.

Post anything like that again and you will be toast!

I hope that might have CHANGED YOUR MIND. If it didn't, then WAKE UP!

	23-09-2002 22:54									#8
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People ought to take responsibility for their own actions. I thought we'd pretty much established that. The best solution would be to let the child live and put it up for adoption. Lots of people want to adopt unwanted babies.

Stops the killing as well.

	23-09-2002 22:55									#9
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Bye Bye

	23-09-2002 22:56									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison It is the right of any woman to decide what she does with her own body, not yours. If she doesn't want to bear a child, she shouldn't, as the foetus is effectively equivalent to a parasite as it is unwanted by the host. Nothing else needs to be said to counter your substanceless moan. Who are you to enforce your model of morality on others in this way when it doesn't affect you in the slightest.

Oh? Maybe you would have the same view had your mother considered an abortion?

Perhaps you would have thought differently had she actually had an abortion?? Oh, wait, YOU WOULD BE DEAD!

	23-09-2002 22:56									#11
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those pictures are indeed disgusting. well done ... we're all impressed.

goodbye.

	23-09-2002 22:57									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Fez It is not the right for the women as it is murder. PH, people have the right to think differently and not have their arguments called substanceless. I will ask you the same question you are asking so who are you enforce your model of morality on others? Hypocrit.

Until that child has considerable neurological development, it is not murder.

And who assembled that lovely little montage? Perhaps I should try and find stories about how unwanted kids have had terrible upbringings and the like. It is not your right to force someone else to accept your morality on this issue, as it affects no one other than the mother (the foetus is not advanced enough).

	23-09-2002 22:58									#13
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Lungron... don't even think of posting that kind of crap on this site again.

Also... If you want to debate the subject in a civilized fashion... FINE. If you want to rant and rave and insult people, find some other place to do it... because you won't be doing it here.

	23-09-2002 22:59									#14
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quote: Originally posted by rah This is the OT, beating dead horses is the number 1 sport here.

That, and taking a live horse and beating it to death.

	23-09-2002 22:59									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Lungron Oh? Maybe you would have the same view had your mother considered an abortion?

It's an irrelevent line of reasoning as I wouldn't be here if I had been aborted. An attempt to play on emotions is not going to change my viewpoint.

quote: Perhaps you would have thought differently had she actually had an abortion?? Oh, wait, YOU WOULD BE DEAD!

See above

	23-09-2002 23:02									#16
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PH, you say the foetus is not advanced enough to be affected by the mother's choice of having an abortion.

By that very same premise, you could support eutanasia of severely mentally disabled people. Which is kind of unsettling.

	23-09-2002 23:05									#17
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Given your ignorant attitude, perhaps you were busy dodging coathangers in those precious first stages of mental development.

Just why are you so keen on abortion anyway. Perhaps you and a gf had a child coming, and you were scared of taking resposibility for your actions

	23-09-2002 23:06									#18
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It is unsettling isn't it, but it is a fact. If someone is braindead, the life support is switched off even though they are still perfectly fit biologically. Doesn't this amount to the same?

	23-09-2002 23:07									#19
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bye... and feel free to complain to MarkG as you said in your "report post" complaint... I'm sure he will be as open to your complaints as I am

	23-09-2002 23:09									#20
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Damn!

Ming, you beat me to it. Between the frivolous complaint and the continued personal insults, I was going to nail him myself.

Have fun for a couple of hours, I'm off to the border crossing.

	23-09-2002 23:09									#21
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Lungron, et al.:

For some *strange* reason or another, I've always thought that abortion could be reduced by the following methods:

1. Responsible sex. IOW, use protection.
2. Sex education. And, yes, abstinence would be *part* of the curriculum.
3. Birth control. This includes condoms and drugs that prevent fertilization.
4. Adoption. This one is self-explanatory.

The last time I checked, screaming your lungs out while protesting and intimidating women on the street didn't reduce the abortion rate. Nor does reckless, promiscuous sex.

Gatekeeper

	23-09-2002 23:10									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison It is unsettling isn't it, but it is a fact. If someone is braindead, the life support is switched off even though they are still perfectly fit biologically. Doesn't this amount to the same?

Yes, but where is the harm in letting people live? Babies can be adopted, and the mentally disabled can live perfectly good lives, contributing to other people just like you and me.

I just don't get the fundamentalist abortion stance that unwanted babies must be killed because it's the mother's right to choose. What if the law chose adoption for her instead?

	23-09-2002 23:12									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Winston PH, you say the foetus is not advanced enough to be affected by the mother's choice of having an abortion. By that very same premise, you could support eutanasia of severely mentally disabled people. Which is kind of unsettling.

I support both. It may be unsettling, but I cant see how someone who is severely mentally disabled can possibly lead a full life. I can only imagine it as misery.

	23-09-2002 23:15									#24
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Ah you're OK mods, I can handle this lightweight, my mother says worse things to me than that

And now, back to Winston:

Why does everyone think that I have a 'fundamentalist' stance on these things, for goodness sake. The fact is that the foetus at this stage does not possess sentience, we are not talking like someone who is retarded which is way ahead of this...it all comes down to an issue of definition. The issue is, the foetus hasn't lived a life.

And another thing is that the foetus is dependent on the mother, and thus, it is the mothers perogative what she wants to do with her own body...a basic human right.

	23-09-2002 23:15									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Yes, but where is the harm in letting people live? Babies can be adopted, and the mentally disabled can live perfectly good lives, contributing to other people just like you and me.

You said severely mentally disabled. How can someone who is severely mentally disabled live "a perfectly good life, contributing to other people just like you and me"?

	23-09-2002 23:16									#26
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Too bad the official debate thread yin started collapsed. The abortion debate there was much better was much better than the one here.

	23-09-2002 23:20									#27
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Cali, maybe they can't all contribute, but that's no reason to kill them.

PH, you argue that the unborn child is dependant on the mother, so it's her decision if the child is going to live or die. That's a bogus argument. Because someone is dependant on you, you don't have the right to terminate them.

	23-09-2002 23:24									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Cali, maybe they can't all contribute, but that's no reason to kill them.

For me the reason would be if they are so tormented by their condition that their life can be nothing but suffering with no hope of relief. Is it really worth keeping alive someone who has to be restrained 24-7 to keep them from hurting themselves? All they do is sit there and chew off their own lips. To me it seems more humane to end it for them.

	23-09-2002 23:35									#29
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Cali, we were originally talking about being sufficiently disabled as to not being aware of whether you're killed or not. As a parallel to the "not advanced enough" foetus PH used as an argument for abortion.

I say you can't legitimize killing people just because they aren't developed enough to resist.

	23-09-2002 23:42									#30
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It is. It should be banned, unless the pregnant women's life is in danger. You can support anticonception, but supporting abortion is disgusting.