25-09-2002 20:27									#31
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MWIA, I think it's usually because, as much as the guy may treat the person like crap, there are enough moments when he can be tender and such that he gives the person those "glimmers of hope" that makes him/her cling to the guy and think they can change them, etc.

	25-09-2002 20:29									#32
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Depends on the circumstances. Some like to be treated that.

	25-09-2002 20:29									#33
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	25-09-2002 20:46									#34
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Nonono. Those things are all well and good, but what you REALLY need is to be able to let everyone know you HAVE these things without seeming conceited. Now THERE'S the trick.

Even when these are noble qualities, there's no reason to be arrogant.

	25-09-2002 21:42									#35
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Damn my apathy and damn the man.

I've finally got the confidence to get conversations started up, etc. and every girl I talk to has a b/f or fiancee. So, I've decide to concentrate on passing my classes and playing video games all day.

	25-09-2002 21:48									#36
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I'll jump in and say that I'm a life-long nice guy, and haven't been without a girlfriend (or at least a steady roll in the hay) since high school, many many years ago. There's a HUGE advantage to being a nice guy, aside from its inherent moral worth: it's that you're the one standing there when she finally dumps the a**hole and comes to her senses -- and she's SO grateful you are. Nice guy-ism rocks; just don't be a wimp, and you'll be amazed at how desireable you become.

	25-09-2002 21:54									#37
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girls, just wanna have fun (with a nice guy )

	25-09-2002 22:11									#38
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You don't need to be a jerk in order to avoid being a "nice guy." At university I didn't have an ******* reputation, but I didn't have a nice guy reputation either--I had a reputation as somebody who was honest. I wouldn't be malicious to women (like a jerk), but if a woman asked for advice from me or complained about her relationship problems to me then she knew damn well that I wasn't going to lie to her just to make her feel better.

	25-09-2002 23:24									#39
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hmm perhaps I am boring. I just think the things I'm passionate about women don't care for. I'm very passionate about american football. But most women don't care for it. Yeah I know some women like it a lot, but they are already taken.

I'm also passionate about beer .

perhaps I need other interests. I'm interested in guy things. I swear this would be easier if I was gay.

Maybe I should take an interest in Oprah and clothing.

	25-09-2002 23:51									#40
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Wifebeating is the way forward on this one. Trust my experience here

	26-09-2002 00:02									#41
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in my experience, sadly, yes...

it makes them feel superior, because they can tell their friends what an ******* their b/f is so they look like they deserve better and they get the "you can do so much better" comments

It's done subconsciously of course, but that's what I'm convinced of. Too bad I'm not an *******, or I'd get all the girls.

	26-09-2002 00:03									#42
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"perhaps I need other interests. I'm interested in guy things. I swear this would be easier if I was gay. "

Would it?

I mean. You would have to be really drunk to sleep with a guy.

See and 'guy things' to me used to revolve 100% around getting girls attention

Some of you just dont have it. Even if you dont like there stuff. You act like you do..you will probably never find a woman interested in sitting around all weekend watching football and drinking beer. (duh)

Aye and see me. I was persistant bastard and tryed to persuade the girls to like what i liked. All my girls had to like partying at night. Or when I was younger...I would sit outside and throw acorns and stuff at there windows until they came out or opened the window and threw yelled bad words

	26-09-2002 00:06									#43
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There you have it Diss. Throw acorns at them and your troubles will be over.

	26-09-2002 00:18									#44
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hell yes. Unless your Kwazzimoto. Teasing and bugging them always works.

	26-09-2002 00:42									#45
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Dissident,

Sorry to hear about your problem. My roomate suffers from the same thing. The problem is that they don't look at you in a sexual way, meaning that they don't appreciate your masculinity. The best case is that they treat you like a little brother, worst case is that they think of you as a gay friend (those are called 'fag hags' avoid them at all costs). The key isn't treating women badly, its treating them in a way that they think of you as a man. Don't be their good-time buddy, and don't talk about shoes or boys or past relationships with them. I don't know what you look like; I find that small guys and skinny guys have a harder time getting women to respect them than bigger, more muscular guys. Just act like a guy around girls. If you are smaller, try to play off the the pretty boy image (seashell necklace, died tips, etc) If you are going after goth chicks, then I don't know what to tell you. I don't mean to sound like a jerk or a chauvinist, but this is the simplest way to explain how to get a woman. Be a man.

	26-09-2002 01:37									#46
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Question. Is the reason you aren't getting any because....

A- You are a nice guy and women prefer bastards?

B- There's some other reason why they just don't fancy you.

I think some posters on this thread are fooling themselves....

	26-09-2002 01:50									#47
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Yeah, perhaps he constantly picks his nose and eats it and doesn't know he is doing it. A massive turn off.

That and/or he is f**k ugly, but from what I remember of the photograph he isn't. Could be bad body odour or toxic halitosis...

	26-09-2002 02:27									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander If you want to score with women, there is a clinic on the matter in the movie "The Saint". Just watch how Val Kilmer stalks and seduces Elisabeth Shue. It's hilarious, but also true.

Can't you post the guidelines , at least?

	26-09-2002 03:26									#49
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Most guys think they are "nice guys" when in fact they are a-holes or whimps. Confidence and not seeming desperate also help. As soon as I got a girlfriend, I became 500% more attractive to women.

	26-09-2002 04:40									#50
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I agree with Che that it is confidence

low confidence makes you do stupid things

at least, I think that is the reason I do stupid things

Jon Miller

	26-09-2002 04:44									#51
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quote: As soon as I got a girlfriend, I became 500% more attractive to women.

Tell me about it, I have to beat them off with a stick – especially these Aussie chicks!

	26-09-2002 05:03									#52
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quote: Question. Is the reason you aren't getting any because.... A- You are a nice guy and women prefer bastards? B- There's some other reason why they just don't fancy you. I think some posters on this thread are fooling themselves....

I was told...and I'm nearly quoting this...

"You're just too nice. You never screw up. I feel so inferior because I'm always doing something that really hurts you, and you never hurt me. I think I need to be treated really really badly before I can learn to appreciate you and not take you for granted, and if I don't, i'll just keep on hurting you"

	26-09-2002 05:35									#53
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could it be that you have the algore effect?

ie, you are not emotional enough?

Jon Miller

	26-09-2002 08:04									#54
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not even close

	26-09-2002 08:24									#55
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If you're too nice to girls then they start taking you for granted and won't give you what they have (access to sex) in exchange for what you have (source of affection/love)

In other words, stand up for yourself. Women don't want *******s (except for girls with real problems) but they also won't bother dating a man who gives them everything they want anyways. If you don't want to talk to the female friend you're interested in about what assholish thing her ex did to her this week, then tell her so. Be slightly less available...

In other words, take one step away, and she'll take two steps toward you.

I love massacring religious truisms for my own ends.

	26-09-2002 08:25									#56
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Think about it the opposite way: who wants to date the girl who sleeps with anybody who asks her to anyways?

Nice guys are the sluts of the male race...

	26-09-2002 08:31									#57
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I've found that being a nice guy has no bearing at all on if a girl likes me.

She don't care about my car
She don't care about my money
And that's real good because I don't got alot to spend
But if I did it wouldn't mean nothin'

She likes me for me
Not because I look like Tyson Beckford
With the charm of Robert Redford
Oozing out my ears
But what she sees
Are my faults and indecisions
My insecure conditions
And the tears upon the pillow that I shed

She don't care about my big screen
Or my collection of DVD's
Things like that just never mattered much to her
Plus she don't watch to much t.v.

And she don't care that I can fly her
To places she ain't never been
But if she really wants to go
I think deep down she knows that
All she has to say is when

She likes me for me
Not because I hang with Leonardo
Or that guy who played in "Fargo"
I think his name is Steve
She's the one for me
And I just can't live without her
My arms belong around her
And I'm so glad I found her once again

And I'm so glad I found her once again
And I'm so glad I found her once again
Gazing at the ceiling
as we entertain our feelings in the dark
The things that we're afraid of are gonna show us
what we're made of in the end

She likes me for me
Not because I sing like Pavarotti
Or because I am such a hottie
I like her for her
Not because she's phat like Cindy Crawford
She has got so much to offer
Why does she waste all her time with me
There must be something there that I don't see

She likes me for me
Not because I'm tough like Dirty Hairy
Make her laugh just like Jim Carrey
Unlike the Cable Guy
But what she sees
Is that I can't live without her
My arms belong around her
And I'm so glad I found her once again
Found her once again
I'm so glad I found her once again
Once again

	26-09-2002 08:37									#58
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Asher, that song is the most repulsive, horrible, annoying song ever recorded. I'd rather listen to Cannibal Corpse, and they are terrible.

	26-09-2002 08:39									#59
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quote: Originally posted by nationalist Asher, that song is the most repulsive, horrible, annoying song ever recorded. I'd rather listen to Cannibal Corpse, and they are terrible.

Need I remind you about Mmm Bop?

	26-09-2002 08:58									#60
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i don't know about the music ive not heard the song...but the lyrics are just right for this thread
Asher