09-10-2002 15:22									#31
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quote: Originally posted by blackice quote: I got proof on 2 separate games, where i was not host, anyone wish to know more ? Anyone wish to confess of anything before hand ? Paul you care to go toe to toe on proof? Ok submit it Really I have tested you from the onset, bring it on Paul I have a few saved games I would like to show some people here.... quote: I was talken about altered filies. That rush buying trick is used in some mp games and is a rule to be mentioned at teh start. But the apolyton people are very anti this trick NO PAUL WE ARE ANTI USING IT WHEN THE OTHER PLAYER DOES NO KNOW IT<<<< Now expalin the difference between RAMPING AND RUSH BUYING. Now explain how you became the number one player with ramping, rush buying, and this program under your belt...BUSTED PAUL crawl away now. TROLL you are only part of the community you serve. YOUR an excop right? NOW EXPLAIN to these people you do not understand what I just said. SEE WHAT I MEAN even in our own forum the bs for a win is beyond several people morals. I will add a fix has been found...Like a game PAUL???? Notice to all users of this trick and others, game over.... Not in PBEM Speaking of which paul, troll and the rest of you flakes why do you not play PBEM? Seems clear now...... Yes Paul and Troll I have tested this thing against known users... BTW Yoda and Dragon are not amoung the group/// Come on kids when you going to come clean. Play have fun, enjoy good competion? BLACKICE

I am warning you, stop assaulting me with those words!! I am REALLY HURT!!

I have not attacked you and you are constantly attacking me .. why?

At any rate, I am just asking you be all the man you can be, just keep from personal attacks, Please!

Oh, and as for being what you call a "Flake" I eat FROSTED FLAKES not that it should make me a Flake?? I can now see where this is headed, I better don my Flame Retardant Suit!!

	09-10-2002 17:55									#32
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Blackice I would be real grateful if attacks on Troll stopped...

	10-10-2002 06:38									#33
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I think its hilarious the image of a 40+ year old civver cheating, let alone a 15 year old. Pathetic.

	10-10-2002 16:45									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora I think its hilarious the image of a 40+ year old civver cheating, let alone a 15 year old. Pathetic.

Yeah, it makes me pure sick to me stomach!!

Very appalling!


But I am one of the "40-ish" whom dont!

Thanks for your input Maquiladora

Troll

	10-10-2002 21:01									#35
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quote: I wont play pbem because you only get a turn every 3 too 4 days which sounds completely rediculous. Thats if you get commited players too, APPARENTLY, i have only heard this.

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quote: For one thing ive never been court altering filies and maybe thats due to the fact i am way too lazy and honest for that. CAN YOU SAY THE SAME ?

Yes I can say I have never altered files. Can you say you have never used altered files, or used ramping, rush buying without other players kowledge and or used this program or others to win games? The answer for you is no Paul you have and continue to do all of the above. This is not the first time your honesty has been in question is it for these same things...

quote: I conceded with the best sportsman ship against you, being 95% certain you had cheated. What did i find when i looked at the map, you had 5000000 gold. My land was far better too. You had a pathetic looken civ with 100 more sol than me.

Send the save

quote: The second game was far more obvious. It was a 3 player. I had a built up a resounding lead over teh other 2 . So being the great sportsman that i am i volunteered to to make it 2 vs 1. Even still i was getting further ahead. Untill the otehr player said i wanna concede paul is too far ahead. Then good old blackice said no ranking doesnt mean everything. Then i told grafxfx bet ya his ranking goes straight up from now on. What do you know it did we went from half my ranking too 50 % more in under 10 turns.

Yes the second game the test for the program which you use and I have do doubt about it. You seem to think you are the only one with saves Paul Oh BTW it was not me that said that...Your memory is lacking. It was twenty turns. Paul explain to the good folk here how without mills and mines you had 60 sols? Saves Paul I have them, this is very consistant with all your games. You have 45 or more sols you should not have let alone pw and gold. You admit you use ramping and all other forms of cheats agreed to or not if you are losing. Would you like me to send you that convesation? Paul you cheat you add pw and gold with each and every turn period. This has now been confirmed period.

quote: So eventually i just left, knowing he had cheated. So i looked at the saves and he allways had his pw's on 70% to 90% and was building a sol in every city every turn at times. and the next day after that game he starts this thread

Knowing I had the same program as you you knew you were caught red handed.

quote: if you want to look at the saves just ask i probably should post them here i guess

No need Paul several people have them here.

quote: In my 3 years of civ ive never actuallly come accross cheating before not once. There was a fair bit of confusion at times about the tricks, they are so easy to find its easy to think they are not cheating, but who shared those with all ??????

Heh yes Paul after you gained the number one spot cheating everyone you did, is your concience clear now?

quote: By the way GL died 15 months ago get over it, due too most ctpers retiring and the administrators being about as active as the average american citizen. All the top players on that are still the best players no question, either me or yoda is the best player probably him

No question BS lot's of questions and now lots of answers. GL died because of cheating period most of the players moved here and or got tired of the cheating.

quote: I think its hilarious the image of a 40+ year old civver cheating, let alone a 15 year old. Pathetic.

Too true we now have the very answers needed to show how these so-called-greats have been cheating all the way to thier own self gratification. I now have it confirmed from several top players this program has been in use for some time. People like Paul have it down to the gold peice after years experience using it. The gig is up finally we know what they have been doing.

quote: Yeah, it makes me pure sick to me stomach!! Very appalling!

Yet you back them and root for them appalling indeed...
Look troll you were not in the loop when testing of the players and or use of the program was on. Many people had doubts about which side of the fence you were on. That you have made clear here thankyou, it would seem the doubts were well founded.

	11-10-2002 00:37									#36
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quote: Originally posted by blackice quote: I wont play pbem because you only get a turn every 3 too 4 days which sounds completely rediculous. Thats if you get commited players too, APPARENTLY, i have only heard this. [ Sure quote: For one thing ive never been court altering filies and maybe thats due to the fact i am way too lazy and honest for that. CAN YOU SAY THE SAME ? Yes I can say I have never altered files. Can you say you have never used altered files, or used ramping, rush buying without other players kowledge and or used this program or others to win games? The answer for you is no Paul you have and continue to do all of the above. This is not the first time your honesty has been in question is it for these same things... quote: I conceded with the best sportsman ship against you, being 95% certain you had cheated. What did i find when i looked at the map, you had 5000000 gold. My land was far better too. You had a pathetic looken civ with 100 more sol than me. Send the save quote: The second game was far more obvious. It was a 3 player. I had a built up a resounding lead over teh other 2 . So being the great sportsman that i am i volunteered to to make it 2 vs 1. Even still i was getting further ahead. Untill the otehr player said i wanna concede paul is too far ahead. Then good old blackice said no ranking doesnt mean everything. Then i told grafxfx bet ya his ranking goes straight up from now on. What do you know it did we went from half my ranking too 50 % more in under 10 turns. Yes the second game the test for the program which you use and I have do doubt about it. You seem to think you are the only one with saves Paul Oh BTW it was not me that said that...Your memory is lacking. It was twenty turns. Paul explain to the good folk here how without mills and mines you had 60 sols? Saves Paul I have them, this is very consistant with all your games. You have 45 or more sols you should not have let alone pw and gold. You admit you use ramping and all other forms of cheats agreed to or not if you are losing. Would you like me to send you that convesation? Paul you cheat you add pw and gold with each and every turn period. This has now been confirmed period. quote: So eventually i just left, knowing he had cheated. So i looked at the saves and he allways had his pw's on 70% to 90% and was building a sol in every city every turn at times. and the next day after that game he starts this thread Knowing I had the same program as you you knew you were caught red handed. quote: if you want to look at the saves just ask i probably should post them here i guess No need Paul several people have them here. quote: In my 3 years of civ ive never actuallly come accross cheating before not once. There was a fair bit of confusion at times about the tricks, they are so easy to find its easy to think they are not cheating, but who shared those with all ?????? Heh yes Paul after you gained the number one spot cheating everyone you did, is your concience clear now? quote: By the way GL died 15 months ago get over it, due too most ctpers retiring and the administrators being about as active as the average american citizen. All the top players on that are still the best players no question, either me or yoda is the best player probably him No question BS lot's of questions and now lots of answers. GL died because of cheating period most of the players moved here and or got tired of the cheating. quote: I think its hilarious the image of a 40+ year old civver cheating, let alone a 15 year old. Pathetic. Too true we now have the very answers needed to show how these so-called-greats have been cheating all the way to thier own self gratification. I now have it confirmed from several top players this program has been in use for some time. People like Paul have it down to the gold peice after years experience using it. The gig is up finally we know what they have been doing. quote: Yeah, it makes me pure sick to me stomach!! Very appalling! Yet you back them and root for them appalling indeed... Look troll you were not in the loop when testing of the players and or use of the program was on. Many people had doubts about which side of the fence you were on. That you have made clear here thankyou, it would seem the doubts were well founded.

Please Blackice, I aint on NO SIDE OF NO FENCE!! except I dont like cheaters!

I could really give a Rats Buttocks if you personally like me or not, because this is a forum and unless you know someone PERSONALLY there is no way you could judge a person based on typed words!

For real Blackice, I never knew we had a problem until you attacked me publicly? Why? Only way I can figure is a person came to me privately asked me whom was cheating that I knew and I told them that persons name, PRIVATELY!

Now, if someone goes by that handle and it is also a similiar handle of yours, It aint my fault, I just stated that persons nic from MP online, NOT PBEM or and World Cup Tourney.

Please Blackice, lay off!

It is you whom keeps bringing up my name and as for any "Fence" get a life dude!

I play and play with folks I trust and get whooped by them or whoop them, have been playing since game came out with many whom have come and gone. sure miss them, but I dont anything about any cheater trainers/programs and as far as that, I suspect a lot when after a short time of playing a person has 15 more tech than I and 5-8 times my PG Rating, but its ok, I live with it, and again, I am asking you to quit verbally asaulting me, Please, lets just get along be friends or not be friends just please Mr. Pete, S T O P attacking me.

Thanks Pete and Thanks all in the community here!

Happy Hunting and Keep on Civin!!

Troll

	11-10-2002 01:52									#37
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I'm been following the way that this thread has been evolving... Hilarious!! We have our own little soap opera right here on APolyton

As for a real question, I just recently started playing PBEM/MP... can someone define what's meant by ramping? Hopefully without any finger pointing or name calling... Thanks

	11-10-2002 03:51									#38
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Just to make sure Centrifuge, you know how the rush-buy bug works right? And that we're not using any of these crafty bugs in our game? I still have all the turns anyhow.

	11-10-2002 04:11									#39
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Of course. That's the reason that I'm wondering what ramping is...so that I don't use it. Have some faith Maq... and I've got all of the saves as well, sooo

	11-10-2002 04:57									#40
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That ramping and rush buying thing is all irrelevant in pbem anyway, because ultimately you can just look at someone elses turn if you wanted to cheat. Which kinda defeats the point of playing

There are few multiplayer games that i know of without bugs or game winning exploits in. Until they get patched of course. (if they get patched)

Im sure the people who made OGC for counter-strike gave the same reason at first as the person who made that hack program for ctp1 did.

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quote: Originally posted by centrifuge I'm been following the way that this thread has been evolving... Hilarious!! We have our own little soap opera right here on APolyton As for a real question, I just recently started playing PBEM/MP... can someone define what's meant by ramping? Hopefully without any finger pointing or name calling... Thanks

Well, we could call it "AS-The-STOMACH-Turns"



But seriously, I really believe we are all just passionate about our beliefs, me against those whom Cheat and Pete[Blackice], well, Ill not put words in his mouth, other than attacking me, i think he just wants the air cleared! which is what i want!(Him to quit attacking me and then all of us be good "COMMUNITY " members and move past this painful issue of cheats or "illegal exploits".

Me, Gauntlet has been picked up, I have said my piece on this matter, gonna get some buttered popcorn and then sit back, enjoy MY APOLYTON COMMUNITY

Seriously, when us members argue fuss and fight, man..all I wanna do is what below shows!!

	11-10-2002 09:13									#42
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Hmmm... maybe we should have moderator lessons like driving school Then we can pick the more experienced and trustworthy of moderators which have passed the said school.

	11-10-2002 09:29									#43
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quote: except I dont like cheaters!

Ok then tell us why you side with the cheaters? Tell us why you cheer the cheaters? Sure

Troll you can go on and on but reality is why are you here? You do not play PBEM yet you chant cheat on one of it's members or more when in reality the people you praise are the cheaters... No it is not personal in any way I am simply exposing another ruse by a GL endoser. So are you qwang? Which GL moderator are you troll? Give me time I will find this out too...I am surprised it took this long for this type of GL tripe...You have spent weeks aluding to cheaters here, this in it self in not the PBEM way...One of the main reason's I called you on this. You have been emailing me with questions and inquiries that you could have only got from your GL buddies. I surmise what you really want to know is if a fix and or capture is about. I assure you you will not get that info from me or anyone else here...Looks like GLER"S are on the run again...

Attacking sure Troll what is your aim here and who are the dl's?

The point is everyone that ever played GL as long as you claim, knew and knows of all the cheats yet you claim no I did not BS? The difference here is Quinns and other players expose and inform other players of them. We do not play innocent and coy let alone use they against opponents to claim greatness...

Solver do you see what is going down here? Lot's of BS obviously, I have played and knew all these gl players for years and never knew a cheat Good one troll.....

To the rest of you TWO Pbem is moderated it takes no effort what so ever to spot cheating, be it advancing turns or this cheat. It would seem you have no idea about this community what so ever to bad you are missing out on some great HONEST gaming. Paul a one on one PBEM game is at least finished let alone a 4x4. The biggest difference is it is moderated... None of you few GL cheats will play if you are watched closely. You used to brag Yoda was easy I will point out you GL ranking against yoda yet under the moderator system you got your butt kicked...
Why? Now you claim he is better, wonder why.... Dr. Doom was right so are many others and you know it.

You can rap all you like but very few people here cheat and or like cheaters, let alone people who back them....Now Paul being the honest up front guy he is and troll mister clean have yet to answer anyone on the difference between raming and rush buying...Why people?

Now back to the program on the adverage these guys are adding 100 to 200 gold per turn and the same for pw. Anyone ever wonder why someone has a map full of mines yet at the same time a map full of caravans yet at the same time pumping out sols by the tens with 15 cities? They have done their math real good here. They know as we have seen exactly how much and when, it has been tested and they know it to be true...

I did I now know why at first we thought it was a science crack.
Nope a cheat program carefully crafted and expertly used.

Anyone care to test my theory? How about you two jokers like a game?
I surmise after this these few cheats will play with themselves. This is good for us all...See ya...

	11-10-2002 09:42									#44
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What's GL?

	11-10-2002 12:43									#45
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Gaming League, or something like that.

It a shame we can't moderate Web games. The only way to stamp out cheating is dissolve the Internet rankings, since they mean nothing with cheats. PBEM is succesful because of the fairness, and the versatility of it. From 1 on 1s, 2 on 2s, the SuperLeague, Lungmatch, Challenges, Happy Killers, and Huge brawls.

I like PBEM because it is more creative than Multiplayer. It's fairer. I like the diplomacy, and it's like real life. Go cheat and win for all I care. I don't play online anyway. As long as we have a strong community, and good, hardworking, honest people here, which I believe most of us are, I will stay and give my service to the community.

	11-10-2002 16:10									#46
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quote: Originally posted by blackice quote: except I dont like cheaters! Ok then tell us why you side with the cheaters? Tell us why you cheer the cheaters? Sure Troll you can go on and on but reality is why are you here? You do not play PBEM yet you chant cheat on one of it's members or more when in reality the people you praise are the cheaters... No it is not personal in any way I am simply exposing another ruse by a GL endoser. So are you qwang? Which GL moderator are you troll? Give me time I will find this out too...I am surprised it took this long for this type of GL tripe...You have spent weeks aluding to cheaters here, this in it self in not the PBEM way...One of the main reason's I called you on this. You have been emailing me with questions and inquiries that you could have only got from your GL buddies. I surmise what you really want to know is if a fix and or capture is about. I assure you you will not get that info from me or anyone else here...Looks like GLER"S are on the run again... Attacking sure Troll what is your aim here and who are the dl's? The point is everyone that ever played GL as long as you claim, knew and knows of all the cheats yet you claim no I did not BS? The difference here is Quinns and other players expose and inform other players of them. We do not play innocent and coy let alone use they against opponents to claim greatness... Solver do you see what is going down here? Lot's of BS obviously, I have played and knew all these gl players for years and never knew a cheat Good one troll..... To the rest of you TWO Pbem is moderated it takes no effort what so ever to spot cheating, be it advancing turns or this cheat. It would seem you have no idea about this community what so ever to bad you are missing out on some great HONEST gaming. Paul a one on one PBEM game is at least finished let alone a 4x4. The biggest difference is it is moderated... None of you few GL cheats will play if you are watched closely. You used to brag Yoda was easy I will point out you GL ranking against yoda yet under the moderator system you got your butt kicked... Why? Now you claim he is better, wonder why.... Dr. Doom was right so are many others and you know it. You can rap all you like but very few people here cheat and or like cheaters, let alone people who back them....Now Paul being the honest up front guy he is and troll mister clean have yet to answer anyone on the difference between raming and rush buying...Why people? Now back to the program on the adverage these guys are adding 100 to 200 gold per turn and the same for pw. Anyone ever wonder why someone has a map full of mines yet at the same time a map full of caravans yet at the same time pumping out sols by the tens with 15 cities? They have done their math real good here. They know as we have seen exactly how much and when, it has been tested and they know it to be true... I did I now know why at first we thought it was a science crack. Nope a cheat program carefully crafted and expertly used. Anyone care to test my theory? How about you two jokers like a game? I surmise after this these few cheats will play with themselves. This is good for us all...See ya...

Sweetheart, I never ever saiad, because in fact I havent ever played in GL..I have however, Now please, someone alert Vanna White and have her show Blackice what the difference in "LETTERS" Is...I said MP..Multiplayer..NOT GL=Game League, I have not played any GL I have however dabbled a few minor games with PBEM, but mostly either SP..(Meaning Single Player) or Scenario Making (thats where someone LEGALLY makes a scenario, and for the record use in SP..thats again Single Player Honey) and most assuredly MP ok class..what was that again??..Why Yes sweetherat thats Multiplayer, now in a sentence can you Honey possible use that word MP??..ok try this one for size..TROLL PLAYS MULTIPLAYER ONLINE, IN A S-E-R-V-E-R, LIKE NLINK OR GAMESRV AND USED TO IN ONE KNOWN AS CALI oh Did you think MP Meant Member of Parliament

No dear, I was referring to playing online, having fun, playing my game my way and yes, not cheating!

Ok, enuff sweenipples, stop being a little girl about it, some here have shared publicly what others have told me, now, I have no cheats and no one has any reason or proof but seems others say they do about you??..Now just lets grow up and stop this ok?...
Now lets see what a picture of you is walking away..Ah Yes..I think this is most appropriate!

~Peace~

	11-10-2002 18:51									#47
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This is insane like in the crazy house... really, a soap opera.

Tell me anyone, how the heck can Troll cheat if he only plays online games, not PBEM ones?

	11-10-2002 19:16									#48
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I am dam near paraletic so ill try and make sense
3 years of ctp, no one's ever shown evidence of me cheating . Doom accussed me of ramping and such fourth but has appoligised and all. So you declare i aint even a good ctp player lololollolol. There is only one person that is even close to being arguably better, no guess who it is. Ramping is a bunch of ass and so is your mother !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who from GL ended up at apolyton i cant think of one. Please tell me who is too prove me wrong. PBEM isnt proper ctp cause you can look at the map any turn with no effort and your continuous crap has proved me that. Your sposed to be the over looker of all cheats and yet your the first person ive spotted cheating properly. Ill send the filies when i sober up. Ramping is impossible to prove unless you save every second or are complete master of maths even then it only saves you about 150 gold a time hardley worth the arthrities. I still reackon i can beat any 2 here 2 v1 with out even trying,every turn saved to check the cheating, WHICH OTHERS MIGHT TRY . So you say i couldnt beat a newbie or even a fairly good player with out using the q trick lololol. I can beat anyone hear with out using the q trick and them using it. Other than yoda and doom. You aint even worthy of playing me 1 v1 and neither is your mumma. I proved that in our last game before u cheated. I dont even play 1 v1 anymore so its pretty hard to argue cheating. I have to make it dam near impossible for me to win to have any enjoyment.
7 settelr starting vs 1 hehe. I have lost a game that way

To even think that even 2 people on gl is better than me makes me wanna come over and prove my point

Ive played this game far far far too much to ever lose to any non 3 year vet. PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT, and CHEATERS DONT PROSPER and your mumma aint worth $2

	11-10-2002 19:45									#49
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Who was the infector

Does that virus spread along traderoutes

And have anyone seen the doctor

	11-10-2002 22:46									#50
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quote: Does that virus spread along traderoutes

	12-10-2002 00:36									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Paulno1 PBEM isnt proper ctp cause you can look at the map any turn with no effort

Right, but we don't. We have to rely on trust in PBEM. Without trust, you're right, the results of the game are meaningless. I can honestly say that I have never looked at another player's map in a PBEM game until the game was over. There are many here who can back up my words. I do not cheat.

quote: I can beat anyone hear with out using the q trick and them using it. Other than yoda and doom.

Paul, I, personally, do not believe that you cheat. To settle your above contention though, I want to play you one vs. one, though I know you have retired from 1 vs. 1. I only have time to play PBEM. I have a little daughter now and my CTP time is limited to about 30 minutes a day. Again, if you accept the PBEM challenge, I promise to never look at your map or cheat in any other way.

I make the same offer to Yoda and Dr. Doom even though Dr. Doom has declined to play PBEM against me. Yoda has also ignored my challenge, so I hope that you do not. Paul, it only takes a few minutes a day to play PBEM. If you have time to play 6 to 8 hours in a row, I don't understand how a few minutes can be a problem. Let's bridge this Internet/PBEM gap and settle this issue once and for all. Do you accept the challenge?

There is a way that we can play to equalize the random map starting position. I start the random map game and do nothing and then "End". I then send you that turn AND open the turn I just sent you and play that one as the other player. That is, there are TWO games going at once between us with swapped starting positions. Whoever wins BOTH matches is the victor. Any other result is a draw. How is that?

	12-10-2002 01:12									#52
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quote: Originally posted by quinns Right, but we don't. We have to rely on trust in PBEM. Without trust, you're right, the results of the game are meaningless. I can honestly say that I have never looked at another player's map in a PBEM game until the game was over. There are many here who can back up my words. I do not cheat. Paul, I, personally, do not believe that you cheat. To settle your above contention though, I want to play you one vs. one, though I know you have retired from 1 vs. 1. I only have time to play PBEM. I have a little daughter now and my CTP time is limited to about 30 minutes a day. Again, if you accept the PBEM challenge, I promise to never look at your map or cheat in any other way. I make the same offer to Yoda and Dr. Doom even though Dr. Doom has declined to play PBEM against me. Yoda has also ignored my challenge, so I hope that you do not. Paul, it only takes a few minutes a day to play PBEM. If you have time to play 6 to 8 hours in a row, I don't understand how a few minutes can be a problem. Let's bridge this Internet/PBEM gap and settle this issue once and for all. Do you accept the challenge? There is a way that we can play to equalize the random map starting position. I start the random map game and do nothing and then "End". I then send you that turn AND open the turn I just sent you and play that one as the other player. That is, there are TWO games going at once between us with swapped starting positions. Whoever wins BOTH matches is the victor. Any other result is a draw. How is that?

Your a nice chap Quinns!

That is a great example of how to respond, me, I would probably get wiped by you in MP..maybe not, but probably so...forI do trust you also Quinns and I do trust a lot here, I just know that some folks do choose to use "shortcuts" or "Exploits" or "Tricks"..hey, if it aint a cheat post it and how to use it and how to detect it and then everyone can use it!! Hey, By George , I think if we can all just stop using any thing all the community doesnt know about and play without the "Crutches" I believe that the CTP Community will be a much stronger place, Why I even think I see a new leader we could have, One with Sound Conviction, Sound Advice and Sound[s] like an Honest person......

	12-10-2002 06:09									#53
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I prefer PBEM because I feel "safer" in these games than in MP, because I trust the people playing around me, and they have a good rep. Half of the people in the lobbies don't.

	12-10-2002 07:09									#54
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> Quinns WROTE:
"There is a way that we can play to equalize the
random map starting position. I start the random map game and do nothing and then "End". I then send
you that turn AND open the turn I just sent you and
play that one as the other player. That is, there are TWO games going at once between us with swapped starting positions. Whoever wins BOTH matches is the victor. Any other result is a draw. How is that?"

Heh that is pretty good. Why don't the super league and pbem challenges take that up as a rule?

	12-10-2002 12:37									#55
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Complications with sending the wrong turn.

	12-10-2002 17:30									#56
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Yes, I think it would get tough to tell which was which. Is it possible to change the email names after you start. I think so. Then you could give the email recipience names be different which might help. At lest you could keep the files seperate. Of course if you as feeble minded as me, probably forget which files went with which game.

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With two players it wouldn't be that confusing. It would be with more than two.

	13-10-2002 02:04									#58
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Hey Quinns, I thought i said I could beat anyone here 2 v1 not 1 v1
So you think you are worthy of a 1 v1 . I guess i can spare some time for a PBEM game. But i reserve the right if i hate PBEM early to throw in the towl
I guess that playing 2 games at once could be a good idea.

My Email is pa_coutts@hotmail.com

	13-10-2002 02:10									#59
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I'll revise the situation concerning two games for SuperLeague II (if it happens ), but it may produce burnout, as it is 2 games for the price of 1. I'll think about it.

	13-10-2002 06:59									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Paulno1 Hey Quinns, I thought i said I could beat anyone here 2 v1 not 1 v1 So you think you are worthy of a 1 v1 . I guess i can spare some time for a PBEM game. But i reserve the right if i hate PBEM early to throw in the towl I guess that playing 2 games at once could be a good idea. My Email is pa_coutts@hotmail.com

Alright Paul!! I am not WORTHY! But let's go anyhow. Check out the below Standard challenge match settings. I hope you agree with these. If not, let me know which ones to change. In addition, we'll add the dual game equalization method (outlined above). Ours will be the first true "Equalized DUAL Random Map DUEL" !

Standard Challenge Match Settings: