18-10-2002 18:58									#91
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quote: Originally posted by TheBirdMan I simply WILL NOT accept, that there isn't any cure for the rabbit-disease

Okay ... Just trying to give some friendly advice. WELL BUZZ OFF THEN! I WILL WIPE OUT YOUR CIVILIZATION!!

	18-10-2002 22:38									#92
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quote: I dont see 3 pw anywhere so how can i explain it and i have nothing to expalin because i havent cheated how do you explain your own screen shot showing you with rush buyed SOL, which is the whole point of your altered filies as far as i can see. Thats your first sreen shot by the way

Paul beating a dead horse, give it up.

quote: Your saying i edited the map while playing or after ? or not at all ? Man your getting pretty far fetched now on either point. How could the non host edit the map while playing ? I question to the fact can non host even use some trick to alter the filies ? Because the game is made by the host. But what do i know, only how to play ctp not how to alter filies like blackice has demonstrated

Easy Paul, right paul the lame duck does not suit you well.

quote: That is much too far from what I would call an interesting game!

Playing with cheaters never is Birdy.

quote: Yip seen the last screen shot shows 3 pw's but doesnt show whose civ it actually belongs too or when it is, or if its just from a save thats been altered, its just taken with the back ground behind being green so whats that meant to prove? you know how to mess with filies, i think you have allready proved that.

Give it up paul you were the one changing to commie and the only one in the game doing so. It is the same file as the one I posted before just a close up obviously.... Exactly paul so why post saves...The only relivant point here is your civ had 3pw that is a known flaw in this program, game over paul.

quote: Your technical abily in showing different things seems to be far and beyond mine incase you havent noticed.

Sure

quote: Yet to show me actually cheating yet though

How do you get 3pw in CTP paul, third time asked...

quote: I had a look at the save bird man had a look at as well just more of blackice messing around altering things surprise surprise, the land and all.

Making a point is all saves can be altered...

Hey dudes quit spamming the thread....Maybe you do not want to learn about this others do....

	19-10-2002 08:34									#93
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http://www.gw32.de/english.html

Here is the link to the program, this is just one program that can do this.

Thanks the the programer a cheat fix is working...

Game Paul?

Ya right....

I would suggest anyone using this program end game now the fix has been tested in Pbem and is very good.

In MP it simply bumps the player out of the game and lets the user know they employed the cheat... You ever think about that paul?

This is a modified version of the fix for unreal, you know the game....

As shown to a few of the players here this is a very good program. As Paul pointed out, as he always does, as do others if some of us would keep the reason we do these threads in perspective.... very few people can employ this program in mp while not hosting... Shows your experience paul, one thing I have learned is to read between the lines with you so-called-greats.

The main reason I start threads like this....
Some of you simply do not get that point and or try to delude it. I suppose you are caught up in your own illusions?

At any rate as paul pointed out very few can use this program as a non-host. The same applies with PBEM, but none the less tested it does work both ways.

We will put this one to bed to now, BTW the fix program works with all hex, dec cheat programs stop searching.

Resume your spam at least one of us cares to see fair even gaming....I assure I will continue to see it that way, at least when I game, you?

Last edited by blackice on 19-10-2002 at 08:59

	19-10-2002 08:59									#94
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Wow, nasty program. So how does the fix work? Does one load it like a patch, or what? Where do you get it?

	19-10-2002 09:12									#95
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All in good time test the program to see what it does and of course let us know any other flaws you find.

And yes this is a game killer, several friends in unreal pointed to the fix. I meantioned it to the programer about this game. He was very helpful in getting this to work and pointing out the inherant flaws in the program.

I do not go public with cheats unless I am sure, in fact if I am not mistaken this is the first time.

He did not make it for cheating players just games...

So have fun with it, test it in MP and pbem, let me know what you spotted....

	19-10-2002 11:03									#96
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Don't get confused with this type of error, in this same game attacking units has no effect on the units at all.
Picture this two jets attack two sols and the sols have no damage but the jets are destroyed.

Slic use with some gamers here is out of hand. This same message as seen below happened in every single city attacked all 15.

It seems some people have lost focus of why this is the best CTP game league around...

Attachment: slic.jpg
This has been downloaded 38 time(s).

	21-10-2002 11:19									#97
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The fact of the matter is you cheated in both those games not me and the second game had 3 players. I was not the only one who saw you cheat so that is 2 vs 1
Anyone who plays online will know grafxfx and can ask him. Anything your saves or screen shots show are a bunch of ARSE incase you are wondering. You seem very adapt to minipulating them, so anything say that you cant do is a bunch of ARSE too, you obviously must have been able to do it because i have NEVER even tried to alter the filies and never look for stuff on the net, MEVER. I allways have pw's at 0 or 100% never in between. You dont even need to look at the saves to see if the other person has cheated. As i said you just have to save the game and it shows you, the saves get saved with the julius ceaser name in the title. Which it shouldnt hence a glitch in the save. The game gets saved with the leader of the hosts civ, in the title. With this program its saves it under julius ceaser.

WHY Does your first screen shot show you with a rush buyed sol blackice ????????????????? Ive asked you this before but you keep ignoring me. The whole point of you gold cheat is so you can buy units so this is a very good hint at you cheating, ITS YOUR SCREEN SHOT NOT MINE.

There is no good CTP players still playing at present, so there is no one even good enough for me to play 1 v1 so its hardley not worth cheating is it ??? Practice makes PERFECT as the saying goes thats why im so good not because i spnd all my time altering filies.

I try and make the game as hard as possible for me to win because i get bored if gets to easy, hence why i allways play 2 v1 these days. I can beat you 1 vs 2 as i showed, untill you started buying sol's.

Is there even anyone for you to play at all, online anymore ?? and name your many onine friends i dont think you have any anymore

	21-10-2002 16:02									#98
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How long can this go on? Can anyone say they have caught either Paul or Blackice cheating? It would have to in an online game. Anyone could alter a save file, snap a screen shot, and load it here for everyone to see. All it takes is a little time and patients. The two of you have acussed each other from everything to lying, altering files, cheating, and cowardly. I would gladly sit as a host in an 1on1 between the two of you, me hosting you 2 as players 2 and 3. So you can duke it out with a secong opintion to see if there is cheating. How long can this go on? Can anyone speak for Blackice or Paul using evidence from an actual game?

	22-10-2002 07:41									#99
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I guess one of them may be cheating.
But I'm not convinced.

I think they are both outstanding citizens of the gaming
community

Both could kick my butt up one-side and down the other
cheating or not

Let's move on

	22-10-2002 12:31									#100
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Yes... this thread has become nothing but a mass spam/flaming thread.

Infact, I'd go as far as saying the thread needs to be closed.

	23-10-2002 09:50									#101
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quote: The fact of the matter is you cheated in both those games not me

Paul give it up man, you have been exposed. You also know it is wide spead and we are not ignorant. Yah it took a few month but the jig is up come clean and play on with honest people in an honest game k?

quote: screen shots show are a bunch of ARSE incase you are wondering

So are yours have you caught on yet? Saved games can be modified, duh!
Paul explain your 3 pw period. you have done a great job avoiding that question........

quote: I allways have pw's at 0 or 100% never in between.

Paul you can change land, troops, etc but you can not change PW in a screen shot. Again for the sixth time HOW DO YOU GET # PW
I know now explain it. Why do you keep avoiding the question?

quote: As i said you just have to save the game and it shows you, the saves get saved with the julius ceaser name in the title.

Hell Paul I have a million of them... Anyone with any basic knowledge can change them. Now you say after what 5 years you have no idea....
Ok Paul... But thanks for the tip about not being able the use this crack, program as a player and not the host. Must have been a lucky guess right?

quote: WHY Does your first screen shot show you with a rush buyed sol

paul I was using the same program as you, how many times does that have to be said? Paul your as clear as glass, the finest. Nice try....

quote: Ive asked you this before but you keep ignoring me.

really...

quote: enough for me to play 1 v1 so its hardley not worth cheating is it

Paul whatever you have a program that makes you god in your own mind, good for you. Yes Paul you are king Are you not happy knowing you beat everyone? You did win now let the honest people have fun with it ok?

quote: i spnd all my time altering filies.

Never said you did, did I?

quote: I try and make the game as hard as possible for me to win because i get bored if gets to easy, hence why i allways play 2 v1 these days.

Heh I have been online since and ya cool I almost have this program down pat. PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT Your right. Give me say 1 week I too would get bored and play 5 vs one no biggy. After all Paul what skill does it take? Come on Paul everyone knows all your tricks now. Just be big about it. Who cares let the people here in on it and join us in some good fun honest games?

quote: Is there even anyone for you to play at all, online anymore ?

Lots watch your back door Paul Many people know what is going down. Simply because you and your minion are not privy to it does not make your day I assure you.

Any of you downloaded the program and used it?
Any of you know what to look for?

Any rate try it..
Let us know what you see

	23-10-2002 10:21									#102
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quote: paul I was using the same program as you, how many times does that have to be said? Paul your as clear as glass, the finest. Nice try....

So you admit to cheating, i didnt cheat so i aint got nothing to admit too.

So quinns suggestion to me privately looks to be correct
your presumption that i was cheating, caused you to cheat. (sorry to mention your name quinns) Your presumption is WRONG and you still aint proved ****. I havent expalined the 3pw's cause i cant.
I dont know why it is there. You havent even proved that it was even my civ it shows on. The fact of the matter is you can say you cant make it appear there, but id be willing to beat you probably could. I couldnt make it appear there though that dont make it impossible to do though.

I havnet down loaded your program cause i aint interested. Cheating like you did is incredibly easy to spot so whats the point in studying the program. By the way i aint got the program you stupid :madban

	23-10-2002 11:07									#103
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quote: So you admit to cheating, i didnt cheat so i aint got nothing to admit too.

No Paul I admitt several post's ago To using the same program as you to figure out what it is you are doing. That is history bub now explain to the people here how you get 3 pw...

Paul you ever going to answer that? Whatever paul look you use the program many people have already amitted to it. paul why are you the last one? They all confirm you have it, use it, and have for some time.
You have made the flake list good job...

quote: So quinns suggestion to me privately looks to be correct your presumption that i was cheating, caused you to cheat

Quinns you calling me a cheater behind my back New low for you Quinns care to make that public.
Care to prove what I am saying as wrong Quinns? Or you just going to play the a$$ again?

quote: Your presumption is WRONG and you still aint proved ****.

Explain 3 pw.

quote: I havent expalined the 3pw's cause i cant.

I can and have need more? I love challenges. Quinns like a game?

quote: You havent even proved that it was even my civ it shows on.

Heh

quote: but id be willing to beat you probably could

Paul any simpleton can use an editor, even you as it seems... (in fact you can also inform us this program can not be used as a non host, lucky guess I bet ). Altering the pw in a screen shot from a game. Well Paul that is way beyond my talents anyone else? Can anyone here do it?

Paul, re read your post's re read mine. I have pointed out the obvious, have yet to call you any childish names, have quinns on your side I just pointed out the facts. Can to prove me wrong? Quinns?

Like to test your backdoor politics opinion Quinn?

I bet not....

	23-10-2002 11:50									#104
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My email to quinn:

You emailed paul to say I was a cheater lol Gary was right about you.

You split a community now this how low will you go quinn?

Watch this guy he is an ego maniac, face it quinn you are....

I bet you do not even know as you have pointed out what is going on here. Yet you play politics for your own amusement.

Keep your eyes on quinn I have.....It is amusing so far hey quinn explain to the good people here what we are talking about here and how it works.

While your at it explain to the good people here what you are doing about it.

Yes a hero in the making....

Quinn



Quinn you using this thing? Sure would explain your instant rise to fame...Serious people send me your saves of quinn games let me look at them...

	23-10-2002 11:57									#105
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Blackice - pls stop now.

	23-10-2002 12:00									#106
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Ok I will pick a few games at random If anyone can point out what I have done let me know.

This program with experience can mask anything, since quinn would like us all to go public with our testing of honesty be forwarned you have been put on notice.

When all is said and done do not call the messenger
a cheater thats for ego maniacs. Ask the messanger
what we can do to counter it.

Seems quinn you have lost sight of your intent here. Keeping the games clean.

Explains a lot....

	23-10-2002 12:02									#107
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Blackice - pls stop now.

Did not start it Birdy seems to me quinn emailed paul and called me a cheater, even though he knows I do these things to expose and to keep it clean here.

I would suggest you redirect your attention elsewhere, respectfully of course.

	23-10-2002 12:03									#108
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Besides Birdy you have even questioned quinns honesty and intentions here, I may point out you are not alone.

	24-10-2002 08:13									#109
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I was dinking around with a single player game
this afternoon. I can get 13 on pw with it.
Not 3 though. However I notice that in a new game
I cannot get anything except for *0. So I guess
if I keep playing eventually I caould get 3 on pw.
I can get 2 on pw for that same game that has 13.

Does that change anything?

	24-10-2002 08:20									#110
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Blackice, do you actually have the program that you
are saying Paul is using?

If so, you could send it to me along with a game that you say paul played with that program. It should be
fairly easy to tell what happened.

I often break both hardware and software on my job,
that is why I have the moniker. If it ain't broke, find
a bigger hammer.

	24-10-2002 08:21									#111
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How do you suppose the program actually modifies pw.
Is it just modifying the CTP algorithm, or does it somehow interupt the server process and insert illicit
data?

Just curious.

	24-10-2002 08:23									#112
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Several threads back you had a link to a site. Was the for the cheat program or for some sort of patch to the cheat program?

Does the patch cure the problem with the cheat program?

	24-10-2002 08:23									#113
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Does the cheat program only work online. Or can one use it to cheat in PBEM in the absence of moderators.

	24-10-2002 08:44									#114
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Blackice, stop the flaming! No one has proved ****, the argument is useless, and all it's doing is severing PBEM and Multiplayers reputation. CLOSE THE THREAD SOLV! PLEASE!

	24-10-2002 08:46									#115
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If there are other technically sophisticated programs that have been used in the past to cheat on MP or PBEM. Have they been cured? Were there others in the past.

	24-10-2002 08:47									#116
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Is this program similar to any other that may have caused greif before. Or does it use a wholly different method/technology to do it's dirty deed?

	24-10-2002 08:48									#117
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Most of the other cheats I have heard of are just along the lines of exploiting a bug in a program. Or taking a peak. This seems that it could only be created by a pretty good programmer. Do you know who may have created the program?

	24-10-2002 08:49									#118
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Does Activision do anyhing to help in these situations?

	24-10-2002 08:50									#119
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When will all of the information be clearly revealed so that it is actually useful for the rest of us slobs?

	24-10-2002 08:51									#120
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Now, I think you see what the tone of a technical discussion about program cheats should be like. Now can we cut the other crap out? Please.