08-10-2002 07:53									#61
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Since when did I say I want to ban birth control?

Birth control is a great thing in many ways, but it has also produced some huge problems that society is just beginning to recognize. I certainly don't want to ban birth control, but I wish people would use it more intelligently.

	08-10-2002 08:00									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Since when did I say I want to ban birth control?

I used a and a , so I hope you know I was being a little tongue-in-cheek.

I guess my point is that birth control gives people choices. A lot of this thread seems to be about opposing a choice to be childless, and that bothers me. I certainly wouldn't tell people NOT to have kids (outside of extreme circumstances like drug abusers wanting to be parents).

	08-10-2002 08:04									#63
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Don't get me wrong. I fully support your right to choose to be childless. I just think that it's a stupid decision...

	08-10-2002 08:10									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I just think that it's a stupid decision...

Oh, that's ok then Lots of people think I make stupid decisions, but my decisions have worked so far

	08-10-2002 08:11									#65
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Isaac Newton. Tchaikovsky. Jane Austen. Immanuel Kant.

Not a single offspring from any of them. Selfish, selfish, selfish.

On the other hand, we did get Opticks, Principia Mathematica, Emma, 1812 Overture, Critique of Pure Reason....

	08-10-2002 08:19									#66
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Isaac Newton, Immanuel Kant. Not a single offspring from any of them. Selfish, selfish, selfish.

Yes, Isaac Newton and Immanuel Kant were so selfish they died as virgins!

	08-10-2002 08:21									#67
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quote: Yes, Isaac Newton and Immanuel Kant were so selfish they died as virgins!

This just proves my point that childless individuals aren't selfish, just stupid.

	08-10-2002 08:22									#68
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I'd rather be stupid than unhappy...

	08-10-2002 08:24									#69
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quote: I'd rather be stupid than unhappy...

I think dying as a virgin would make you both...

	08-10-2002 08:25									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I think dying as a virgin would make you both...

It's too late to die a virgin... being childless is one thing, being sexless, quite another

	08-10-2002 08:28									#71
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quote: It's too late to die a virgin... being childless is one thing, being sexless, quite another

So you are smarter than both Newton and Kant. Congratulations, you genius.

	08-10-2002 08:29									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: It's too late to die a virgin... being childless is one thing, being sexless, quite another So you are smarter than both Newton and Kant. Congratulations, you genius.

Speaking of geniuses... wasn't that one a Costanza?

	08-10-2002 08:30									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: It's too late to die a virgin... being childless is one thing, being sexless, quite another So you are smarter than both Newton and Kant. Congratulations, you genius.

I thought you were the one that was saying that Newton and Kant were stupid...

	08-10-2002 08:43									#74
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Interestingly, as I posted my last reply, the quote on the posting screen was:

"The great advantage of being celibate is not regretting seeing a beutiful woman, because you have an ugly one at home"

or words to that effect.

Anyway... there's your argument for no sex

	08-10-2002 09:20									#75
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All these dual income no kids types should be castrated. They are no better than eunuchs anyway - slaves to the system

	08-10-2002 12:47									#76
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Two incomes are needed now when real wages are highest ever, when one income sufficed in the past?

That doesn't make sense.

	08-10-2002 13:54									#77
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Wait... I don't do economics like you Bods, but I think I've got it!!!! What if the cost of living is now higher than ever? Would that answer the question? You know, I think I might just have it.

OK so you don't need stuff like electicity, TV, computers, internet, DVD players, big comfortable sofas. It is possible to bring up kids in a small house with a vegetable patch in the garden and no entertainment other than sewing their new clothes by candlelight. Who the hell wants to live like that though?

	08-10-2002 13:56									#78
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Especially in the South-East, where the cost of living has rocketed far above wage increases...

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Yeah, a small one bedroom flat here in Reading is approaching £100,000. If you want a nice one in the town center you could easily pay £250,000.

	08-10-2002 16:34									#80
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quote: Two incomes are needed now when real wages are highest ever, when one income sufficed in the past? That doesn't make sense.

"What if the cost of living is now higher than ever?"

I don't dispute this. But nominal wages are rising faster than the cost of standard of living, and so real wages are rising.

	08-10-2002 16:43									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: It's too late to die a virgin... being childless is one thing, being sexless, quite another So you are smarter than both Newton and Kant. Congratulations, you genius.

What about Mary?

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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I don't dispute this. But nominal wages are rising faster than the cost of standard of living, and so real wages are rising.

House inflation is rising faster than wage inflation. Houses are far and away the largest cost of living expense to new home-owners- i.e young couples who are considering having children.

	08-10-2002 16:49									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's "What if the cost of living is now higher than ever?" I don't dispute this. But nominal wages are rising faster than the cost of standard of living, and so real wages are rising.

Is that a general thing averaged over the whole country? Is it specifically true for young couples with children in the south east?

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Yeah, a small one bedroom flat here in Reading is approaching £100,000. If you want a nice one in the town center you could easily pay £250,000.

Doing a brief search, I found the following for less than £85000.

"A SECOND FLOOR STUDIO FLAT SITUATED IN THE UNIVERSITY AREA OF READING AND SET IN COMMUNAL GROUNDS WITH NO CHAIN COMPLICATIONS. ELECTRIC HEATING, DOUBLE GLAZED WINDOWS AND BALCONY."

	08-10-2002 16:58									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin House inflation is rising faster than wage inflation. Houses are far and away the largest cost of living expense to new home-owners- i.e young couples who are considering having children.

Are you saying real wages are falling..?

You can't compare nominal wages with just one area of the economy. Granted, houses do constitute a large eprcentage of expenditure..but this doesn't affect that real wages are rising, and real wages take into ALL expenditure, not just a couple of things which makes your argument look correct.

	08-10-2002 17:00									#86
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I'm saying that if you want to buy a home, you can't afford to have kids for quite a while.

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Just look at the cashflows associated with buying a home.

	08-10-2002 17:06									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I'm saying that if you want to buy a home, you can't afford to have kids for quite a while.

You can buy "a home". You just can't buy as good as home as you would otherwise be able to.

	08-10-2002 17:09									#89
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So Bods, could you get an £85k mortgage and afford to raise a child, presuming of course you had a standard graduate wage of £20k? Even with a £30k income you'd struggle to find a mortgage lender.

	08-10-2002 17:11									#90
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That shite hole you found is £85,000?

Is the real issue here who's going to clean up after spoiled kids if their parents don't have time to spend on them?