09-10-2002 21:47									#61
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Paitkis,

I wouldn't let Mexico join the U.S. under any circumstances. Why add tens of millions of people who don't speak English, and who needs hundreds of thousands of acres of useless wasteland? The only thing that adding Mexico would do is drop our standard of living, and multiply our social problems. IMO, we should be doing a better job of keeping the Mexicans in Mexico.

I feel the same way about Turkey. Turkey is not European, it never has been and it never will be. It has no business in the EU. I think that the Greeks should be allowed to kick the Turks back into Asia Minor, rename Istanbul to Constantinople, and reclaim the Hagia Sophia. Admitting Turkey would destroy the EU.

	09-10-2002 21:49									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Gerth22 eu not a good idea.. i tell you one more time. this as not truth but warning. i has lost my brake making job to canida yester day. if you not keep it in eu west and if you make it east you would see things move to lower cost araes like poland and then labor has made cheep and they will leaf west factorys to east

I agree with you Gerth. If I were in Belgium, I'd be anti-EU as well. I'd also be opposed to the Guest Workers. What part of Belgium are you from?

	09-10-2002 21:53									#63
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i not in german!

	09-10-2002 21:54									#64
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belgium. i in flemmish. why has 2 people say im germna? you not know the flag differance

	09-10-2002 21:57									#65
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nationalist, you have the german flag

	09-10-2002 22:01									#66
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"Would you accept Mexico as a US state BEFORE it sorted out such things as not being democratic, using tortures, violating all sorts of human rights, having hostile relations with virtually all his neighboors and having a crap economy which would collapse if left wityhout HUGE aid and huge povery in its population?"

I think something could be worked out, as Mexico has many of these problems nowadays. Joining the U.S. would lock in a lot of gains in a lot of areas for Mexico, so I think the U.S. would be understanding.

Also, let's get back to business. Turkey offers a lot more than does Mexico to a potential suitor. It bears repeating that the geography of Turkey is extremely valuable. The U.S. has never gone wrong by paying too much for their land and I don't expect the EU would either.

"and who needs hundreds of thousands of acres of useless wasteland"

Thar be oil on that thar land.

	09-10-2002 22:02									#67
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Yeah, I know. I am doing some of my German History reading while I post, and I had a brain lapse. Embarassing typo to say the least. I fixed it as soon as I noticed it.

	09-10-2002 22:11									#68
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I know it's not pleasant for Belgians (flemish and walones alike ) but a lot of people confuse the Belgian and the German flag.

	09-10-2002 22:20									#69
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Paitkis,

What do you think of my suggestion to the Greeks?

	09-10-2002 22:23									#70
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Oh, it will happen, in due time

Like the old saying goes:

Pali me chronus ke kairous dika mas tha' ne

"Through years and times, ours (Constantinople-Asia Minor) they will become again"

	09-10-2002 22:25									#71
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Of course the french just ignore stuff they don't agree with

Frenchmen ? no ... We just take some time to think about it.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Oh, it will happen, in due time Like the old saying goes: Pali me chronus ke kairous dika mas tha' ne "Through years and times, ours (Constantinople-Asia Minor) they will become again"

You are laughting here but when I was on vacantion in Greece said the guide something like "it is sad that constantinople the center of Christianity is not in Christian hands"

But I suppose that's the oppinion of a small minority of wackos like you have in every country. Still hilarious

	09-10-2002 23:25									#73
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quote: Why aren't Malta and Cyprus already member they already meet the criteria for years?

Because in Malta people drive like crazy.

Last time I went there I almost got invested 5 times in 2 weeks.

Plus, if it is someone like me (who zip with his scooter at 95 km/h in the traffic jam of Turin) who is sayng that Maltish drive like crazy, it meens it is true.

Saluti

PS: And in Malta they also treat turist very bad

	10-10-2002 01:02									#74
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quote: Originally posted by kolpo You are laughting here but when I was on vacantion in Greece said the guide something like "it is sad that constantinople the center of Christianity is not in Christian hands"

the fact that millions of christians were kicked out of the lands they lived for thousands of years is indeed sad. it does NOT mean though that there are more than just a few idiots(the same percentage of idiots all countries have) who want to get into a war about it...

quote: Why aren't ... Cyprus already member they already meet the criteria for years?

cause Turkey threatened to start a war about it if the cyprus issue wasnt resolved first....

eventually EU got tired(our acceptance of Turkey's candidancy had something do with it probably ) of waiting for Turkey to do some serious discussion (why would they do it, noone was really pushing them) and decided to let Cyprus regardless of the resolution of the issue....

i think even know Turkey hasnt taken back the casus belli...

	10-10-2002 02:01									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Gerth22 eu not a good idea.. i tell you one more time. this as not truth but warning. i has lost my brake making job to canida yester day. if you not keep it in eu west and if you make it east you would see things move to lower cost araes like poland and then labor has made cheep and they will leaf west factorys to east

Cheap manufactured goods from Poland would be great, provided they meet EU standards.

Personnally I see no reason to prop up an industry that is more expensive than importing. I regret the loss of your job, but I'm sure that Belgium has the potential to produce other goods/services more cheaply or to a higher standard than (say) Poland. Therefor by Poland joining the EU, Belgium has an additional market into which to sell its wares.

To me, integration is a question of how and when not if.

	10-10-2002 02:20									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus and giancarlo. look at how Spain is freeloading. stupid third world country.

Spain is "a third world country"?

I don't know what I must do in order to stop people attacking my country. What thing exactly do you hate from Spain? Why do you think that are stupid? Do you think that the people must be jugde using where they were born?

This link (random search on Google) show Spain as 10 economy by GNB:

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/gnp.html

I firmly believe that all men are born equall.

As always, I can be wrong. If you think so, please explain me

	10-10-2002 02:22									#77
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He was making a skit around the fact that Spain was by far the largest net receiver of EU funds to goad Fez. I don't think it was a personal attack on you or Spain

	10-10-2002 02:33									#78
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Not on me, I'm sure SD. But call a country 'stupid third colony' sounds bad. And if Saint Marcus wants to attack Fez, he must not attack anybody else. If he doesn't want to attack anybody, I add a 'explain me' message (with edit option, because I send the message too early - I push the incorrect button)

Also I'm very sensitive about that. I've the fear that I can miss-understand somebody (It happened me on the past) because my English is not soo good.

I love to be polite, and I try to not insult anybody.

Thank you for your answer

	10-10-2002 02:36									#79
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nah, I like Spain.

just three things about the country that piss me off.

1. Giancarlo
2. Real Madrid is heavily in debt, yet can still afford to buy star players
3. They take a lot of my tax money

and sometimes I do think it's a third world nation But same goes for loads of nations, so don't take it personally.

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There are many people that make stupid comments like the one Marcus made. I'd let them go because to do otherwise is a waste of time - most people realise how stupid it is, and the person who says it is probably trolling.

The time when I would pull them up on such statements is if people showed an inkling of believing it, or the comment was ripe for mockery.

I don't think anyone could seriously beleive Spain is a third world country.

"It is not the big lies that we should be concerned with, it is the little ones."

	10-10-2002 02:44									#81
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quote: nah, I like Spain. just three things about the country that piss me off. 1. Giancarlo 2. Real Madrid is heavily in debt, yet can still afford to buy star players 3. They take a lot of my tax money and sometimes I do think it's a third world nation But same goes for loads of nations, so don't take it personally.

No problem then. Sorry If my previous post seems too agressive with you

And about Real Madrid's debt: they have sold their terrain on city center, and gain a huge, huge amount of money that they have used to pay his debt. So, Real Madrid is now without debt.

Yes, Spain recieves many money (1st reciever by far) from UE. But that is going to end. Those new countries have lower GNB/per capita figures, so your money will go to these countries.

	10-10-2002 02:49									#82
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quote: Originally posted by kolpo Just out of intrest: If Mexico asked you to join the US would the US then allow it to join,

We're not in the business of expanding via annexation anymore. We haven't been in that business for over one hundred years. People would get way way too upset if we started annexing territory left and right. The Apolyton OT board would probably melt down.

In the interest of world peace we refuse to annex Mexico.

	10-10-2002 02:53									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove In the interest of world peace we refuse to annex Mexico.

Just let Mexico annex you.

	10-10-2002 03:20									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin Just let Mexico annex you.

SD, are you sure you're not from the U.S.?

	10-10-2002 03:28									#85
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I was, many years ago. I turned to the European side.

	10-10-2002 04:06									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin Just let Mexico annex you.

Unlikely. Mexico votes againest us just on principle at every OAS meeting.

	10-10-2002 04:22									#87
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"Just let Mexico annex you."

OK with me.

We'd then push through a change of the Mexican constitution to reflect our consititution (e.g., Articles I-VII, amendments, etc.) then change the name of Mexico to "The United States of America."

You know. Small things to help us feel comfortable.

	10-10-2002 04:26									#88
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I had the same thought with renaming the Euro the Pound.

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I like the idea of making Turkey the 51st state. It can't be any worse than Texas .

	10-10-2002 12:51									#90
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Turkey offers a lot more than does Mexico to a potential suitor. It bears repeating that the geography of Turkey is extremely valuable.

Landgrabs are so 20th century....

Anyway, that geography comes at a price. I have to say, it takes a bit of getting used to the idea that the EU would share a border with Syria, Iraq and Iran....