26-10-2002 22:02									#271
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quote: To WCI: If some of your leaders accept to join Spain cause, Spain will help them to get in power and give them ammo, guns and technologies.

What might this "Spanish cause" be. AS far as we know, the only "Spanish cause" is Spanish domination of the world.

To Louisiana: WE do not want to join NATO. We just want to form a coalition with NATO to get the European nations out of the AMericas.

quote: Cavalry troops often patrol in WCI territory.

To Spain: Unless they are acting against orders this is an act of war!

	26-10-2002 23:01									#272
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Spain does not want war with WCI. WCI actions are just threatening Spanish interest in America. We asked you if you wanted to do trades with us, you only reply by arming your proper soldiers. Spain wants peace in America and WCI seems to want blood and only blood.

Our cavalry is here in a recon mission and to prevent any possible attacks from WCI.

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SECRET:
Spain has recruited bandits and outlaws from Mexico and Louisiana. They are regrouped in companies. Those companies have the mission attack WCI encampment and to slow down any movement of troops.

Spanish forces is regrouping in Northern Mexico (300.000 soldiers at WCI border and 150.000 at 100 miles from Louisiana, 50.000 in Florida and 100.000 in South America)


250.000 in France and 150.000 in Spain/Portugal.


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To Russia (secret):
Send troops in Alaska, I think WCI wants to remove us from America soil and get control over America continent.
I'm awaiting your reaction about Europe share.


To USA (top secret): Remember our deal...I think soon will be the right time for USA revenge...


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OCC: I think I will soon stop this NES, if someone wants to take Spain.....

	26-10-2002 23:05									#273
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To Spain (Secert):
We would like to disscuss more about what to do with Europe. We also would like to see if we can get the Ottoman Empire into our alliance. We both will have to increase our millitary. The Americas are going to be harder to controll now that France is gone, allthough we did most of the fighting in the Americas and not France.

To All nations in North America:
We the Russian Empire want peace with you. I think that anyone can see that we have no wish to controll North America and make it a colony of the Russian Empire. We have even given indepence to Canada and helped the WCI to survive when NATO decided that they wanted their lands. I ask who really wants to dominate the world and who really wants the Americas to be free? I think the NATO alliance is the one that wants to dominate the world and not the European Alliance.

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Even with the collapase of the French empire, we have completed the Steam Power project. We are now going ahead with a 12 year plan to lay railroads in all of Russia. Also factories are now being set up all over Russia thanks to steam power. This will be done in 5 years time.

	26-10-2002 23:13									#274
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To Spain(secret):
We already have 225,000 troops in Alaska. I will send 200,000 more to Mexico. But I must tell you I am growing tried of the constant fighting in the Americas, these americans are acting more like barbarians then civilized people.
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The Current Russian Army is now 900,000.
We have 225,000 in Alaska.
225,000 on route to Mexico.
The Rest of the Russian Forces 450,000 are in Russia maintaning order.

We are now increasing the size of our army to 1,200,000 men. We will be giving out pay rasies and other bonuses to induce more men to join the Russian Army. We are also looking into ways to improve our guns and cannons.

	26-10-2002 23:37									#275
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The Ottoman Army's numbers are classified, but foreign diplomats estimate it in the hundreds of thousands.

After a long period of neutrality, Ottoman forces are making excursions into the Balkans and North Africa, 'restoring order' to these anarchic areas.

	27-10-2002 00:43									#276
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Spain has engaged a new recruitment plan. Soldiers have seen their payment increased and intensive trainings are taking place. Former French generals have mostly joined Spanish army and some French soldiers have also been recruited.

As a consequences, Spain Army will reach the 1.5 million soldier next year.


To Russia (secret): We are preparing an invasion of Italy before sending reinforcements to Mexico. I have fear of a massive uprising and even your peaceful speech doesn't seem to be heard.

Our research in new weaponry has been going on even after the fall of France. It will be finished next year.

To Ottoman Empire: Would you like to join the European Alliance? (as a secret part), I will recognize your influence over North Africa and Greece. But Spain would like to get Morocco.


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As steampower is spreading through Europe, the Catholic King has decided the building of a railway from Lisboa to Paris passing by Madrid and Barcelona. This railroad will be finished in three years. Industries, encouraged by the growing economy of Spain, are now highly productive due steampower and heavy industries are being built in Mexico, Madrid, Barcelona, Lisboa and Paris.

Spanish economic experts expect an increase of 150% of Spain's PIB (only as an indicator here eventhough it doesn't exist) in 5 years and an outstanding 200% in 10 years(Spain will be fully industrialised)

	27-10-2002 07:56									#277
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quote: Our cavalry is here in a recon mission and to prevent any possible attacks from WCI.

How about fi I sent a company of warriors to patrol througout your territory, would you accept that as "recon"?

In fact, I have done so already. 2,000 armed Indians are romping thoruhg the hills and forests of northern mexico, and have noticed a peculiar buildup of your forces near the border.

To the world: Our goal is not to gain power for ourselves. Our goal is to gain independence and freedom for our people, for all of teh indigenous peoples of teh Americas. We will not rest until this is achieved, whetehr by peace or by war.

TO Russia: Grant autonomy to Alaska and I will give you economic support and ally with you.

The rulership of teh WCI has become a bit shaky recently, reportedly due to internal disagreement between teh tribes...

OOC: mmtt, don't leave! How about you and Russia carve up Europe then I'll open up Asia?

	27-10-2002 08:33									#278
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To WCI:
We need to trust you first. We do not like the tensions that are rising between you and Spain. Although we are not opposed to giving the people of Alaska more power to rule themselves, we must wait untill the Americas are more stable.

	27-10-2002 12:49									#279
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Spain understands WCI order and Cavalry units are retreating. I also understand complains about Natives American autonomy. But there is a lot of Spanish immigrants in South America and Mexico. Spain has the duty to protect them.

Despite those difficulties, Spain is thinking about giving some central territories under natives administration belonging to Spain.

	27-10-2002 13:01									#280
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To European Alliance: Do not try and annex the rest of Europe. If you do so we will help them.

To NATO: I will join if the WIC and USA come to an agreement. We need America for Americans and need to get rid of this European dominance. Germany will also join, along with Poland and Italy, and North Africa. (NB at the moment I still control these although I do not do much)

To Spainish Mexico: Do not join Spain we will assit you with guns and money to re-assert your independence stolen from you.

To Louisiana: Accept the EA's demands for the time being there is always another time.

TO USA: Give us money so we can build our army and we can drive Russia and France from our conitinent.

TO Canada: Join NAtO and I will.

	27-10-2002 17:41									#281
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The 4 years plan started by President Montgomery Burns is over.

The US had rebuilt her infrastructures from nothing, and now the US economy is booming.

The Army had been modernized with the latest technologies available.

US-Status:
Army Large
Navy Medium

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To Spain and Russia:
We heard you have succesfully completed the Steam Power Project.
Since we helped you at the beginning of it, the USA would like to buy the technology from you.
This may even be the first step toward a new friendship between our countries.

To Quebec:
We see that your country need helps, and your help request were heard by us. We will send you 10Milion Spanish Pesetas to help you country out.

Saluti

	27-10-2002 18:04									#282
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To Russia: If a war against Spain comes to teh Americas, will you remain neutral?

Secretly, the 2000 troops sent for "recon" have dispersed, and have begun to encourage dissidents and nationalist movements in Mexico.

	27-10-2002 19:06									#283
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I'll be Sweden, let me catch up on the story before I post.

edit: thanks guys, kill 'em before I jump in. give me a little more time, I'll still be Sweden I just have to think of a good story for the great comeback....

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	27-10-2002 20:34									#284
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Ottoman declines entry into the European Alliance

dont take this for hostility, we just want to remain free from American tanglements and the like. however, divying up North Africa sounds appealing!

After expanding its borders into the Balkans, Ottoman troops start two real campaigns: into and around Egypt, and Eastward into Western Persia.

There is little resistance and after 9 months, both areas are pretty much securely under Ottoman control.

To any nation: our country would like to purchase a modern railroad system. send over your engineers, and insure a long, profitable alliance between our two nations. ottoman industry is strong, but without a good transportation network, it cannot meet its potential. we are willing to exchange the following for skilled engineers:

-many of the best Arabian horses
-gold of course, lots of it
-shares in a canal we are planning to build
-an alliance
-free trade to the Orient

what do you say? we will accept bids immediately.

	27-10-2002 20:44									#285
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To WCI(secret):
If Spain is attacked we will come to their defense. If Spain starts the war, we will first consider the matter.
We might consider etheir selling or granting independence to Alaska if you promice not to attack Spain and sign a alliance with us, but not Spain if you hate them that much.

To Ottoman Empire:
If you agree to keep the technology to your self we will help you build your own railroad system.
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The Russian army is moving 325,000 men into Sweden. We are going to take the rest of Sweden. Any rebels will be found and executed. We will also grant autonomy to Sweden, but they will still be apart of the Russian Empire and loyal to the Czar of Russia. We have found the brother of the former king of Sweden and placed him in charge of all of Sweden.

	27-10-2002 23:48									#286
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to Russia: i am waiting to see which other coutries are interested, but if we employed your engineers, they would stay in our borders, as well as their knowledge

	28-10-2002 02:12									#287
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This is firefarter, I just have been having major difficulty signing in (family switched to AOL and it is extremely shitty)

To all concerned, Canada offers voting for all male citizens, as there are people from many different cultures living within our borders, it is much easier not to discriminate, Native Americans are allowed to vote as well.

President Tron Lieberman is 1/4 Russian, 1/4 French, 1/4 British, and 1/4 Native American. He is 100% Canadian though.

Canada enters in the NATO Alliance, proposing free trade for all member nations.

Canada enacts Tariffs on all imported European goods to promote industrial development in Canada, Canada urges the rest of NATO to do the same, one official stating "We may be separate, but to get ahead we must all work as one."

Canada takes all the French military equipment and begins training the army in the best use for it. The Francs are used to promote logging and trapping.

Canada's Capital, Canadia, is in it's final stages of construction, it's location will be revealed to the world upon completion.

Heavy Logging on the Russian Border of Canada, It appears the Canadians are employing west to east tactics, unlike other nations in North America.

Canada's Military has gone from Small to Medium, all recruiting is voluntary for the Canadian Military at this point.

((If there's something I missed let me know))

((Metaliturtle is my neighbor, he's been on vacation, I don't know when he'll be back))

	28-10-2002 03:09									#288
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quote: After expanding its borders into the Balkans, Ottoman troops start two real campaigns: into and around Egypt, and Eastward into Western Persia. There is little resistance and after 9 months, both areas are pretty much securely under Ottoman control.

Egypt?? That's the headquarters of Egypt & Morocco, i think there'd be heavy resistence.

OOC: Space05us, you could be Northern Italy, Hungary-Poland, or Egypt-Morocco.

To RUssia: We will not attack Spain without provocation.

The WCI has begun to build up forces near the Spanish border. This is not secret. WE are not preparing to attack, but merely countering a similar spanish buildup.

Secretly, every few days a party of 3 unarmed warriors have been sneaking across teh border and sneak into major Mexican cities, hoping to start a nationwide revolution.

To Canada: Alliance? (but i won't join NATO)

	28-10-2002 03:12									#289
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map update for new players and everyone else too:

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	28-10-2002 04:25									#290
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To WCI: We will be your ally only if you join NATO, our primary goal should not be to destroy ourselves while imperialists are continuously moving in and taking our rightful land.

To All NATO members: Will you allow our canadian army to train in the various wildernesses of your countries? We are unbeatable at home, but we think we should be that way abroad as well, no? We will train NATO Armies of countries that allow us to train within their borders.

To the World: Canada has large deposits of coal, which we understand will be necessary in all steam powered locomotives, we will be exporting 90% of our coal to the first country to provide us with viable information regarding steam power, "railroads," and Ironclad warships. If a Non-NATO country offers us the technology, the industrial growth trade tax will ,of course, be enacted. ((Note, this is not a large tax, all countries experience this in some form to some degree.))

To Our Russian Neighbors: Your overwhelming power in Alaska makes us uneasy, our people have made a request that you sell that land to Canada. For Payment we offer the following.

-One Hundred Million Francs worth of Coal to be paid over 5 years.
-60 million francs worth of Furs to be paid over 3 years.
-A lessening of the industrial growth trade tax with Russia. for 10 years.

To the Leader of Spain- please stop your land grabbing policies.

	28-10-2002 04:27									#291
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ok, ok. there was heavy resistance in egypt, but Ottoman forces managed to take the Sinai and parts of Eastern Egypt. on the persian front, ottoman armies expand right to [ooc: the edge of the map]

	28-10-2002 04:37									#292
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To Canada:
We are not going to sel Alaska to you. If we have troops on our own soil I dont see how that is any concern to you. I must remind you that the Russian Empire gave you indepence and we had promiced to protect you if anyone attacked you. I see how you repaid our kindness to your nation. First you tax our imports to your country, then you say you want to basicly go to war with us and take away our lands form us. Be warned Canada, Russia can crush you if we wanted you. But now we are cancel our mmp with you. If you are attacked you are own our now Canada. If you make any more hostile moves towards the Russian Empire we will blockade you.

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Russia is responding to Canada's tarrifs on Russian goods by putting a 150% tax on all good imported form Canada.

	28-10-2002 04:37									#293
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To Canada: WHy can't we be your allies if we don't join NATO? We hope to form a coalition with them anyway, we just don't want to commit ourselves to a permanent alliance with anyone but you.

OOC: OK jdd, the map has been edited. However, if/when i open up Asia a plan on having Persia be a major power, would you mind if the border is pushed back a bit when i open Asia (for now it can stay at teh edge of teh map though)?

	28-10-2002 04:43									#294
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The WCI will be officially neutral if war breaks out between Canada and Russia. However, secretly they sympathize with and support Canada more.

	28-10-2002 04:48									#295
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do i have the bottom of Italy?

because the ottomans had it in the begining

	28-10-2002 04:56									#296
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jdd: No, Spain has always had it.

OOC: I wonder whether the Ototman invasion of Egypt will cause the other members of the AIS to attack them. Or has the alliance now more or less fallen apart?

	28-10-2002 05:12									#297
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ok. those colors are confusing.

	28-10-2002 12:49									#298
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The Repbulic holds its first national congress and the Social Democartic Party holds power. They support all socialist gorups throughout them world (occ: There was socialism before MARX, Marx just made it come along more)

To NATO: Seeing as the Alliance of Independent States is a dead one, I am withdrawing my membership and joining NATO.

TO WIC: Even if you do not join NATO we are willing to assist you against any aggression and hope you make a bi-lateral alliance with us.

To Canada and othe NATO members (secret) If Russia becomes hostile our best chance is if we stick together. However Spanish movements will be against us. Perhaps we can employ Britain and Turkey offering them large tracts of the colonial powers territory. I suggest we think about forming a unified NATO army.

To Russia and Spain: If you attack or annex any American nation it will be considered an direct threat to the Republic.

All from Presiden Jacques Merci, President of The Indepndent Republic of Qubec.

	28-10-2002 18:46									#299
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To all Nations of North America:
I dont know how many times we have to say this, but we have no intentions of taking over any part of North America. Why do you fell so threaten by us??

To Ottoman Empire(secret):
Would you consider giving us the Balkans in exechange for railroad technology? If you refuse we can come to anther deal. Could you sign a mmp with me and Spain? We need to unite against this growing alliance. They want war and we believe will stop at nothing to get what they want.

To Spain(secret):
We agree to your proposal. we will take eastern Europe and you can have western Europe. Right now we are secureing Sweden and once we are finished we will take Poland. Also we need to clam down these countries in North America. They really want to go to war with us.

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	28-10-2002 19:40									#300
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The old aristocracy of Sweden has stepped up to the plate so to speak. Three of them have gone to the Czar to ask for control over Sweden, they pledge to him thier allegance and give him a gift of gold and ships, ships of British design.

Two more of the former ruling class of Sweden have gone to (?) to speak with (?) and ask for control of (?) held Sweden. They Too bring gifts of gold and ships.

OOC: who is red? is it Germany?

Also little known to the King of Britain a former general had been training the people of Iceland in preperation for an attack. . .