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IceEye
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Stockholm, Sweden
Jun 2002
time: 06:22
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ARE THERE ANY NATIONS AVAILABLE???
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Jack_www
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IceEye the Ottoman Empire and Mexico are still open. Also we could always start a rebellion some were and make a new country, but we need someone for Mexico and the Ottoman Empire.
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mmtt
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OOC: Sorry civman, that was adressed to Russia and France, former European Alliance member.
IceEye: Yes, Ottoman Empire and maybe Mexico but it's mainly into Spanish hands.
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I'm in the chatroom for 1 hour and a half date from now....
Last edited by mmtt on 22-10-2002 at 23:58
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Jack_www
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To WCI:
We are commited to defending your nation from your attackers. It is up to Louisiana to end the war now. If they chose to fight on we will be forced to attack. With the United States, we are now at peace with them and our troops have pulled out of Canada.
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Giovanni Wine
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Torino, Italian Wine Capital
May 2002
time: 06:22
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It looks like I missed the chat for about 1 hour.
Oh well, I'll just start my defense here.
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The main reason why we pulled out of the European alliance, and later attacked the WCI is very simple.
When the UK sold us her American colonies, a huge amount of land that we payed very much, and that severly weaked our Economy.
The Mexican took this chance to attack us, althoug, thanks to their backstabbig of Louisiana, and the ready help received by our allies, we managed to win the war.
The US asked for some land, but as our allies didn't wanted to, we asked to be given back the land that we lost, and that we bought from England years ago.
This was granted to us, however, instead of giving us that land, you decided to form this WCI nation.
http://apolyton.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1356796
You can see the Orange territories in North America are the ones that we bought, and that were later occupied by Mexico.
THose territories were promised by you to be back to us after out victory against Mexico, however this was never done, as a big part of it instead was used to form the Independent nation of WCI
(as we can see from this map, which was created after the Mexican war)
http://apolyton.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1379973
As you can see the WCI territories (in purple) are mainly located in former US land.
This could not be accpeted by us, and we feel betrayted by our former allies, and decided to take back what was ours.
We hoped that you would have understand that, instead you declared war on us.
Saluti
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Jack_www
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To Ottoman Empire:
We accept your NAP, but would like to sign one with out a time limit. Depending on how my allies feel, you may be able to join the steam power project. It all depends on how France and Spain feel about it and if you will be friendly towards the European Alliance.
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firefarter
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The match factory
Jul 2002
time: 23:22
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Riots Rage from Copenhagen, south to the former Austria, the underground Liberation armies of Denmark, Germany, and Austria have united refusing to stay under a dictatorship led by a madman. Prussians in Austria request the assistance of Russia, providing documents and firsthand accounts of French brutality to Russian immigrants.
Led by Gregg P. Weber, the combined forces have taken the French out in their local districts, as the French army is occupied defending it's many borders and seeking more Nations to rape and to brutalize.
Commander Weber has issued the following statements to the nations of the world: Napoleon has organized rape against our women, thievery from our fields, and empoverishing our people through ridiculous taxes like the 90% of proceeds due to wage earning. We are known as Libertia, the nation of FREEDOM, and ask all Freedom loving nations to support our cause.
Statistics of Libertia-
Small (but extremely effective) Army (composed mainly of former Prussian elites, and Germanic-Austrian Regulars.)
Miniscule Navy (two of the swedish ships impressed into French service rebelled and fled into the atlantic)
To France(via every other nation): We are willing to fight to the last man, woman, and child! Your Extremely large army has taken too much of a toll on our people, and they would rather die than be subjugated by your sniveling French attitude.
Libertia is Independent, Democratic, and the first European Nation which truly has democracy for all it's citizens.
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Metaliturtle
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University of Wisconsin Stevens Point
Mar 2002
time: 23:22
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To Libertia: Let the British be the first to welcome you to the international level. Although we would love to assist you, we cannot risk another French embargo at this time, so we will just say good luck.
To France: The same thing happened to us with the North American Colonies, Britain's advice is to quell the rebellion quickly by fighting them to the death, or disbanding large portions of your army to help lower the taxes you are forced to levy upon those impoverished nations.
To France and Russia: If we haven't thanked you yet, thank you for lifting the Embargo while letting us keep our territories, we are busy converting battle cruisers to a merchant navy, and our army will now be used soley for the defense of British soil, any attack on the British from now on should be viewed as an attack on your own soil, as your two countries will be the primary benefactors from our merchant fleet.
To the Nations of the World: Join us in supporting Libertia, a noble cause should win over a bloody one.
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Sheep
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The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:22
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Army: 1,025,000 men in the field at the present, 500 strong general staff in Paris.
Reservists: 280,000 (20,000 joined Libertia)
French Foreign Legion: 90,000 (some former Portugese
Navy: 275 ships (23 formerly Sweedish,)
Captured Ships: 5 British, while enforcing the blockade, to be returned asap. They have been returned to their owners.
The Grande Armee
Sweeden: 60,000
France: 100,000 supresing terrorist actions made by NATO powers, all released prisoners have been re-captured majority executed by guillitone
The Rest of the Empire: 200,000 Keeping order, and defending the borders with the Otoman Empire, and Russia. (NB Mainly only Border Patrols on the Russian frontier, to prevent international crime.
50,000 Grande Armee troops are in North Afirca
50,000 are defeding the Channel Coast
550,000 troops have been mobilised against the rebels.
Resevists: Mainly those soldiers of Italy and Germanic States, some helping in capture of released prisoners, others in customs jobs. All are involved in peace keeping throughout the empire
French Foreign Legion: 120,000 in Northern Africa, 30,000 of these in Egypt, 25,000 in Morocco. The rest are being used to assail Libertia.
Navy
100 ships are blockading the Baltic Sea and the North Sea coasts of Libertia.
50 ships are in the Atlantic Ocean.
25 Ships are protecting Sweeden
100 ships are protecting the rest of the Empire.
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Sheep
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The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:22
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The French Grande Armee has mobilsed for action against the rebels of the Germanic states. Napoleon Sheep is himself leading a legion of soldiers into the rebel held area. The Emperor has called for all nations to not recognise the rebel government and any assistance derived to them will be viewed as an act of war against the Empire of France and its subjects.
Already the area of Denmark has been pacified by advancing troops. This was perhaps the easiest part of the pacification though as The Danes were not in full revolt. The ringleaders in Denmark have been executed and the Danes are once again accomodating themselves to the benefits of French rule.
In the Atlantic Ocean the French Navy has tracked down and destroyed the two rebel ships. As Libertia has been completely wiped from the seas, a 100 storng ship fleet is blockading the rbel coastline to prevent any seabourne trade with nations that are against France.
The main thrust of the Grande Armee is however comming out of France itslef, and a secondary front has been opened up from Poland. Hamburg, Bonn, Berlin, Vienna and Budapest have all fallen, and Frankfurt, the rebel's capital has been burnt to the ground. At present the rebels have been pushed back to an area in Northern Austria and Bavaria, as the Prussian nobility seeing their folly has re-claimed their oaths of loyalty to Napoleon.
The choice is simple to the rebels. Either their soldiers surrender allowing themselves to have no more pain, or they will die trying to defy France. The French government is one of the most modern nations, and mopst wealthy. Its people are cared for. This rebellion will be punnished. Whatever the outcome, the leaders of this rebellion will be executed.
occ: I'm crushing this rebellion asap becuase Mexico and Canada are still free, and If I was joining wouldn't make a new nation while others were free.
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Sheep
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The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:22
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quote:
Originally posted by Metaliturtle
To Libertia: Let the British be the first to welcome you to the international level. Although we would love to assist you, we cannot risk another French embargo at this time, so we will just say good luck.
To France: The same thing happened to us with the North American Colonies, Britain's advice is to quell the rebellion quickly by fighting them to the death, or disbanding large portions of your army to help lower the taxes you are forced to levy upon those impoverished nations.
To France and Russia: If we haven't thanked you yet, thank you for lifting the Embargo while letting us keep our territories, we are busy converting battle cruisers to a merchant navy, and our army will now be used soley for the defense of British soil, any attack on the British from now on should be viewed as an attack on your own soil, as your two countries will be the primary benefactors from our merchant fleet.
To the Nations of the World: Join us in supporting Libertia, a noble cause should win over a bloody one. |
First my taxes are only at 30% of all wages earnt far lower than the British or Spanish. My armed forces are big becuase of my immense population. All other claims of LIbertia are lies and propaganda against the beneficial rule of France. In the case of British policy either join us or join them. Stop being a hypocrite. I remind evryone that any moves to help the Libertians will result in war with France, a war that no-one will be able to afford.
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Sheep
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The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:22
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To all Nations: Futhermore I would like to point out who has helped many people with our budget surpluses. I have given money to the WIC, Mexico, Louisnana, USA, Britain (twice), and Spain. How can I do this and be a bloddy regime. I am not the party that has risen up against legitimate authority and has caused death and suffering, however I will put down this rebellion with all my power.
I would like to know how many troops Libertia has 50.000 at the most I would say. They have no Navy. I have a complete blockade of their coasts. Trade is at a standstill. Many of the populace would not support them whole heartedlly, and I have over half a million troops desending upon the rebel holdouts. (This is why I have pushed them back to Bavaria and some of North Austria)
occ: Firefarter next time choose a country that is valid, or make an uprising in a colony not in the middle of a ****ing Coninental Empire, which incidently will just crush you on sight.
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mmtt
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OOC: I'm on the chat and in holidays. Will have more time for NES.
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Spanish government refuses any diplomatic contact with "Libertia". If they want to express any recrimination against France, they should do it peacefully through the new Congress (In nowdays France, there are 2: Senat and National Assembly/Deputy's Chamber, could also name it 500 Council).
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To USA: Our conditions are the following:
-Canada should be split under Russia and Britain control.
-Quebec under France control
- The border shall go from Minnesota to Tenesse following Mississipi.
-Spain shall gain control over Southern Carolina.
To Louisiana:
You should notice that WCI won the war by European Alliance help. You shall then understand it would be better to deal with it.
If you refuse, we will consider pursuing the war.
To WCI:
European Alliance wants to be included in peace negotiations.
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France and Spain started a secret research in weaponry (5years).
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IceEye
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Stockholm, Sweden
Jun 2002
time: 06:22
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can I start a knew nation out of a colony or something?
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mmtt
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OOC: Mexico is under Spanish "occupation". It's still has its own government but is a vassal of Spain and follows Spanish foreign policy.
Could you also explain me why South America is the best place to start a new nation?
(Like Sheep, I'm sorry but I don't like much these "hands-up" rebel attack!)
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To WCI:
You seem to forget you won this war due to European Alliance help. We refuse this division.
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Metaliturtle
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University of Wisconsin Stevens Point
Mar 2002
time: 23:22
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Britain wishes to acknowledge that it has not helped Libertia in ANY WAY. The English people are forced to side with France for their own protection, although because we are not part of France, we have the option of recognizing whichever countries that we choose, so once again, we will recognize their existance, but we will not help them in any way.
To Libertia (TOP SECRET): A good plan would be to come to some form of agreement with France, partial payment or something, but don't tick Napoleon off too much, he's just a four foot man with a six foot pole up his behind.
((OOC: I think Libertia would provide a good catalyst in Europe to keep the NES going and interesting instead of people randomly invading North America from Europe, which will get old soon. Sheep, let them exist, landlock them or something clever like that, but don't outright destroy them, don't kill another NES.))
Britain repays the loans from France with the trade brought in by Britain's merchant marine.
British scientists report a lowering of water levels between England and Ireland, in one case the level dropped 5 inches overnight, British sources do not wish to speculate on why just yet.
Britain asks Russia, the Ottoman Empire, and Spain to acknowledge Libertia as an independent Nation.
Britain asks the French government to allow trade with Libertia.
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firefarter
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The match factory
Jul 2002
time: 23:22
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Libertia wants everyone to see just how brutal the French Empire is!!! Napoleon has burned our villiages, killing Thousands of innocent people. He would rather kill all of us than enslave one of us! He is not reporting his casualties, but our numbers show that he is losing 6 men for every one of ours, his army is used to fighting on open plains, and we hide in the woods and buildings, striking from afar. Prove you have Balls, and stand up against the French Empire!!!
To Russia: French troops patrol your borders even now, just holding a position so as to make an attack more convenient. He claims it is to protect against "thieves," yet you allow this. Do you think that your people are thieves? We don't.
To the Ottoman Empire: Are you even coherent? Don't you realize that as soon as France and Russia have the Americas that your nation would be next? This would be the perfect time to strike against France, while they deal with me, right now is the time for action!
To the British Empire: You sicken me, having sided with the French after all the harassment that the French have given you, have the Brits lost their backbone?? I guess so.
For as long as Libertia exists she will tell the truth FREE OF CENSORSHIP by a KING. Napoleon is lying, he overrides any legislation that helps his conquered people, and that is why we are revolting against him. He burned all of the Danish penninsula then sent you a French report that the people weren't that serious or some such rubbish. Send a merchant expedition there England, You will find the port of Copenhagen a pile of ash and smoldering timber.
It seems the Nations of America are the most forward thinking people in the world, yet opportunistic Colonial Powers still exist there, if those nations were smart, they would band together against Foreign threats and then turn to domestic ones.
We are sick of living on a continent that might as well be called France.
We are sick of Spainish and French singlemindedness.
We are sick of Britain's lack of testicular fortitude.
We are sick of Russia's belittling of it's own people by allowing the French to persecute Russians.
And most of all, we are sick of Napoleon's lies!!!
Libertia's Statistics
Army : Small (Guerilla forces, very effective against the Napoleonic army)
Navy : Small (Secretly being commissioned in Louisiana)
Government : decentralized Democracy (Libertia never claimed a capital)
War Status : WAR ON FRANCE
Libertian forces have successfully burned Napoleon's food transports and approximately 2/3 of the soldier's rations, thus stalling further attacks for some time.
OCC: Sheep, you need to suffer casualties, and you cannot attack twice in two threads in a row, unless the rules for this NES are different from others I've read, but I saw no such rule, Civman, Clarification?
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Sheep
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The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:22
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To Libertia: You will die for your propoganda and lies.
occ: I fail to see how my casulaties could be so high as 6:1. I am 550,000 men you are 50,000. I think my causualties would be around 500 - 1000, for say 30,000 of yours giving the superiority of weapons and men.
To Britain: If you enter into trade with Libertia we will begin the blocakde again.
To Spain and Russia: (secret) I need your help in putting these rebels there un-convential means is severly playing havoc.
To Louisana: I think the WIC terms are too harsh and will back you if needed. I suggest some territory to be handed to WIC as reperation however.
To WIC: Remember why you won the war.
To USA: I will pay you 10 million francs for the state of Qubec. If you do not accept I will take it with force.
French Military Manouvers
The Libertian army has suffered hourendous casualties The rebel army is has been pushed accross the Germanic states and into the rebel stronghold of Bavaria. The final act will happen soon.
Last edited by Sheep on 24-10-2002 at 15:55
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OOC: I do not think Libertia would be good. It can't fight long without support and it has none. Also I find really strange and unbalancing these sudden rebellions. If somebody wants to start one, he must find a reason to do it. I wasn't aware of complains in Prussia/Austria and Germany. Saying that French troops are mudering, raping etc is non-sens if the country has been occupied for 15 years before. The country would have been in civil war for quite a long time..
Metaliturle, I'm not sure you would enjoy a rebellion in Scotland would you? About last NES with Sheep, he did a mistake. That's it.
Jonny, not sure but the title of the NES is caHNES: 1811. I think that's when the NES started. Therefore a research in steampower must be done and has been started by USA and France. Russia and Spain joined after. I'm not sure but it isn't finished. Any railways would then follow after steampower. But if we can finished it together, it wouldn't last long.
I hope no one will be offensed by the above. I think this NES needs some clarifications. Why not expanding the theater to the whole world? More people would be able to join and no these pesky rebellions...
Nobody likes sudden appearance of military force coming from nowhere invading your country.
I don't want this NES to die but nerfing a nation to allow another one isn't the best way. It always hurts somebody.
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mmtt
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The following map is accepted by European Alliance powers. Spain hopes that it will also be recognized by North America Nations.
 Attachment: new orleans treaty.bmp
This has been downloaded 21 time(s).
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mmtt
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Foreign Diplomacy
To WCI (secret):
If you find this map too harsh, you may be aware that war can always happen later on. You should consider it temporary. If you accept it now, we will continue to give you ammo and guns.
To USA:
Spain hopes you are happy with this peace treaty and you will support it.
To Louisiana:
If you accept it now, you won't have to pay any reparations and your army won't have to be down sized.
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